Civil War In Iraq Options

[Hartmann]

I believe that britian had sanctions as well. Not even the french could get in and they HAD oil contracts.

Two things, one, until the summer of last year, Shell was a Dutch company with a British entity. The Dutch are notorious for not putting sanctions on foreign countries let alone, enforcing them.

Two. The data that was used to create the reports was not made from well drilling, it was made from archeological digs (it's a big thing in Iraq) and predictive well assessment (which is where I came in). We can calculate reserve sizes and the actual layout of the field based on geology of the region, core samples (that don't even have to contain oil), and things of that nature. Technically, we could have made the same predictions whether we were under sanctions or not

[Hartmann]

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=2498825

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQBLsoOngA0 - the full edit, apparently

Timbo

Why are there so many civilians in Iraq? Come on, give me a break...

I actually do not know if that video should have ever made it to the public, and I'm sure we are not getting the full story. There had to be a reason the U.S. military cut and run. Halliburton has their own security force there (oh, and they aren't just an oil company, just so that's clear), why they weren't guarding the convoy was never addressed.

[pebkac]

not exactly.

Sure, WWI's massive reparations was part of the cause of the depression internationally, but here at home the practice of credit without sufficient backing was a major factor in starting the depression (domestically...and thusly spreading beyond the US).

Eh.... asking an economist about what caused the great depression is like asking a historian what caused the fall of Rome or a Criminologist what causes crime. That would be the subject of a totally different thread.

[Hartmann]

Eh.... asking an economist about what caused the great depression is like asking a historian what caused the fall of Rome or a Criminologist what causes crime.  That would be the subject of a totally different thread.

Fall of Rome - the creating of a national religion by Constantine. 100 years later, when it was being enforced, the Roman empire ceased to exist. That's my personal theory.

[pebkac]

Fall of Rome - the creating of a national religion by Constantine. 100 years later, when it was being enforced, the Roman empire ceased to exist. That's my personal theory.

Oh god... I've just turned this into the "solve all of life's mysteries" thread.

Stupid pebkac.

[Hartmann]

Oh god... I've just turned this into the "solve all of life's mysteries" thread.

Stupid pebkac.

[cupcake]

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=2498825

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQBLsoOngA0 - the full edit, apparently

Timbo

I don't know what the hell this has to do with jackshit regarding this thread, but since you posted it...

that guy is a fuckin idiot who obviously has zero concept of 'big boy rules'.

you willingly go into a combat zone for the big bucks, you need to be realistic with yourself about your own lot in life there.

why kbr or some other pmc wasn't operating security for the convoy, I have no clue about (if they were, then they would have stayed to protect the 'principal' as is sop for that gig). however, it was big army security...and the fact of the matter is it is army sop during an ambush to get out of the killzone and establish security via protective fire...which they did. (it is marine sop to assault INTO an ambush...chew on that one for a second...good times).

sure they would have been better off with security operators, but shit that's big boy rules...don't like em? tough, no one made him go to iraq to make 6 figures.

that dude is a redneck, whiney ass bitch who needs to learn proper subject-verb agreement.

nothing more. yet he is the media's dandy darling du jour...awesome.

[Mommy]

its obvious why the humvey(s) didnt stay.... they were under attack. Is it the US military's job to protect Halliburton employees? Not that I know of. The fact that the US military was escorting them was probably a nice favor, but in the line of fire they need to get out and secure the location properly...not put their lives in danger.

As for what cupcake (welcome?) stated about him being a redneck retard who chose to go there for the 6 figures....well, I think that companies like Halliburton tell employees that it is dangerous but that they will be well protected. It is obvious here that proper measures were not taken by the company to protect these men's lives. Yeah, they talk dumb, but look what kind of work theyre in and consider what part of the country they are from. Its very sad that those men died. I guess thats what Im trying to say.


Oh and shame on the media (specifically ABC) for allowing the man to insinuate that it was the military's fault

This post has been edited by Jessica: Sep 29 2006, 01:15 PM

[cupcake]

its obvious why the humvey(s) didnt stay.... they were under attack. Is it the US military's job to protect Halliburton employees? Not that I know of.

some units get tasked with running security for civilian convoys...so technicalliy it was their job. they weren't doing anyone a favor.

what I was addressing is that they operated within their SOP. and that if anything he should assault his company for not shelling out the bucks for a private security team (who would have stayed there and defended them per their SOP).

but still...sorry they aren't to blame either. facts are facts...and the fact is he went over there to get fast cash. big boy rules apply the moment he steps on the tarmac at BIAP.

[Hartmann]

some units get tasked with running security for civilian convoys...so technicalliy it was their job. they weren't doing anyone a favor.

what I was addressing is that they operated within their SOP. and that if anything he should assault his company for not shelling out the bucks for a private security team (who would have stayed there and defended them per their SOP).

but still...sorry they aren't to blame either. facts are facts...and the fact is he went over there to get fast cash. big boy rules apply the moment he steps on the tarmac at BIAP.

Yeah, I completely agree. He's getting paid a lot of money and he signed up to basically get shot at and still deliver the cargo.

I'm sorry his co-workers were killed but he cannot blame the company or the armed forces what happened. It was an ambush. It wasn't a "hey we're going to attack you here, make sure no one runs and everything will turn out great" situation.

[Mommy]

i just find it strange that everyone was supposedly trying to keep this really hush hush.

it seems to me that halliburton didnt want to scare off potential future employees

just a thought

[Timbo]

I don't know what the hell this has to do with jackshit regarding this thread, but since you posted it...

that guy is a fuckin idiot who obviously has zero concept of 'big boy rules'.

you willingly go into a combat zone for the big bucks, you need to be realistic with yourself about your own lot in life there.

why kbr or some other pmc wasn't operating security for the convoy, I have no clue about (if they were, then they would have stayed to protect the 'principal' as is sop for that gig). however, it was big army security...and the fact of the matter is it is army sop during an ambush to get out of the killzone and establish security via protective fire...which they did. (it is marine sop to assault INTO an ambush...chew on that one for a second...good times).

sure they would have been better off with security operators, but shit that's big boy rules...don't like em? tough, no one made him go to iraq to make 6 figures.

that dude is a redneck, whiney ass bitch who needs to learn proper subject-verb agreement.

nothing more. yet he is the media's dandy darling du jour...awesome.

I like your reaction =D

You remind me of uncle al, of internet fame =O Not as well-spoken as he is, but the tone's dead on O_O d

Timbo