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post Aug 19 2009, 09:33 PM
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(CNN) -- Ancient man may have started global warming through massive deforestation and burning that could have permanently altered the Earth's climate, according to a new study by researchers at the University of Virginia and the University of Maryland-Baltimore County.


Primitive slash-and-burn agriculture permanently changed Earth's climate, according to a new study.

The study, published in the scientific journal Quaternary Science Reviews and reported on the University of Virginia's Web site, says over thousands of years, farmers burned down so many forests on such a large scale that huge amounts of carbon dioxide were pumped into the atmosphere. That possibly caused the Earth to warm up and forever changed the climate.

Lead study author William Ruddiman is a professor emeritus of environmental sciences at the University of Virginia and a climate scientist.

"It seems like a common-sense idea that there weren't enough people around 5, 6, 7,000 years ago to have any significant impact on climate. But if you allow for the fact that those people, person by person, had something like 10 times as much of an effect or cleared 10 times as much land as people do today on average, that bumps up the effect of those earlier farmers considerably, and it does make them a factor in contributing to the rise of greenhouse gasses," Ruddiman said.

Ruddiman said that starting thousands of years ago, people would burn down a forest, poke a hole in the soil between the stumps, drop seeds in the holes and grow a crop on that land until the nutrients were tapped out of the soil. Then they would move on.

"And they'd burn down another patch of forest and another and another. They might do that five times in a 20-year period," he said.

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That slashing and burning on such a large scale spewed enormous amounts of greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere and warmed the planet, the study says.

Ruddiman has studied and researched the idea of ancient man contributing to climate change for years now. And he's endured plenty of criticism over his theories.

Ken Caldeira, a climate scientist at the Carnegie Institution's Department of Global Ecology in Stanford, California, is among those who disagree with Ruddiman. He said Ruddiman is "exaggerating the importance of early man."

Caldeira told CNN that while ancient farmers may have played a tiny role in climate change, "it just wasn't a significant factor."

He added, "There are actually studies showing if you cut down forests for farmland, you actually cool the planet, because of the glare from the cleared land."

Ruddiman and study co-author Erle Ellis, an ecologist with UMBC, acknowledge that some models of past land use show it's only been in the past 150 years -- with a huge population explosion, the onset of the Industrial Age and the rise of fossil-fuel burning -- that global warming has accelerated.

But Ruddiman said, "My argument is that even at the beginning, they just used much more land per person, so even though there weren't that many people, they used enough to start to push these greenhouse gas concentrations up."

Ruddiman's research also argues that the Earth was on its way to another ice age 10,000 years ago and that ice sheets were already forming in northern latitudes when ancient man started his slashing and burning method of farming.


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post Aug 19 2009, 11:28 PM
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i can't figure out your stance on global warming. do you think that it doesn't exist, or just that man isn't causing it?


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post Aug 20 2009, 05:10 AM
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QUOTE (cmac @ Aug 19 2009, 11:28 PM) *
i can't figure out your stance on global warming. do you think that it doesn't exist, or just that man isn't causing it?

I don't think it's hard to determine Dogmeat's stance. He thinks this current movement toward blaming everything on industry in the world today is crap... so do I.
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post Aug 20 2009, 09:44 AM
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k. so you do agree that exists then?


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post Aug 20 2009, 09:07 PM
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QUOTE (cmac @ Aug 20 2009, 09:44 AM) *
k. so you do agree that exists then?


Does the planet warm? Yes. Does the planet cool? Yes. Does the planet inevitibly get struck by a massive asteroid and take eons to recover from the blast? Yes. Are human beings going to find a way to make ourselves extinct by our own hand, or by cosmic chance? Yes.

I am not planning on having any kids, so I'm doing whatever the fuck I want while I'm here in order to have fun, "man made global warming" be damned.


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post Aug 21 2009, 08:46 AM
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QUOTE (Dogmeat @ Aug 20 2009, 10:07 PM) *
Does the planet warm? Yes. Does the planet cool? Yes. Does the planet inevitibly get struck by a massive asteroid and take eons to recover from the blast? Yes. Are human beings going to find a way to make ourselves extinct by our own hand, or by cosmic chance? Yes.

I am not planning on having any kids, so I'm doing whatever the fuck I want while I'm here in order to have fun, "man made global warming" be damned.


If you don't think the technological advances made in the last 150 years have the ability to rapidly speed up the rate of global warming, you're stupid. Then again, you ARE stupid, so I can understand how you'd fail to grasp the concept

And "I'm not planning on having any kids" should read "I'm not having any kids by default, because I'll never get pussy again in my life, so the kids option is moot"


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post Aug 21 2009, 04:04 PM
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QUOTE (Oasis @ Aug 21 2009, 08:46 AM) *
If you don't think the technological advances made in the last 150 years have the ability to rapidly speed up the rate of global warming, you're stupid. Then again, you ARE stupid, so I can understand how you'd fail to grasp the concept

And "I'm not planning on having any kids" should read "I'm not having any kids by default, because I'll never get pussy again in my life, so the kids option is moot"


You dropped out of college trying to get a business degree, I wouldn't expect you to even begin to understand that you have no capability to even BEGIN to understand something as complex as global warming.

I wouldn't even expect you to even begin to understand the previous statement, let me put it that way.


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post Aug 21 2009, 05:22 PM
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QUOTE (Dogmeat @ Aug 21 2009, 05:04 PM) *
You dropped out of college trying to get a business degree, I wouldn't expect you to even begin to understand that you have no capability to even BEGIN to understand something as complex as global warming.

I wouldn't even expect you to even begin to understand the previous statement, let me put it that way.


but you gotta remember... he hustles guns and game tickets... this makes him a legitimate Investor


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post Aug 21 2009, 07:12 PM
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QUOTE (FORSAKENR320 @ Aug 21 2009, 05:22 PM) *
but you gotta remember... he hustles guns and game tickets... this makes him a legitimate Investor


The fact that we even know this is what he does means he's fucking horrible at that too.


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