Impala/Oasis BitchFest 2009, Someone call the waahbulance! Options

[impala454]

Jesus Christ Charles, do you even read what people write?

Do you? You might want to go back and read that my response was to Christine, not you. (btw, It's just Charles, I don't usually carry the Jesus Christ title)

I know you drive a GMC truck,

No I don't.

[impala454]

Nevermind what scientists, researchers, or anyone says

Seriously, tell Cat to get off your computer...

[Mommy]

I never said I agreed with Charles. I just think Will is a dumb ass.

Might I say though that Chrysler Dodge's new Challenger is the sex. Too bad they aren't offering huge discounts on that vehicle. They have excluded it from all their mass discounts.

[Oasis]

I never said I agreed with Charles. I just think Will is a dumb ass.

Might I say though that Chrysler Dodge's new Challenger is the sex. Too bad they aren't offering huge discounts on that vehicle. They have excluded it from all their mass discounts.

Don't worry, I think the same of you.

And I'm going to buy a Challenger (not the SRT8, don't have $50k laying around) when the Camaro gets released. The release of the Camaro should take interest away from the Challenger to the point where dealers aren't marking them up over MSRP

[Mommy]

Don't worry, I think the same of you.

And I'm going to buy a Challenger (not the SRT8, don't have $50k laying around) when the Camaro gets released. The release of the Camaro should take interest away from the Challenger to the point where dealers aren't marking them up over MSRP

Yeah right... I seriously doubt you will buy that car. You always say you are going to buy a car, but you never do.

[Oasis]

Yeah right... I seriously doubt you will buy that car. You always say you are going to buy a car, but you never do.

I won't be buying one till next year at the earliest. Until the 2011 models come out they'll be way too expensive because demand will far outweigh supply. Hoping the Camaro will offer some competition and disperse consumer dollars away from the Challenger. Plus I just bought a car so I don't wanna buy another one too soon

[woody]

I won't be buying one till next year at the earliest. Until the 2011 models come out they'll be way too expensive because demand will far outweigh supply. Hoping the Camaro will offer some competition and disperse consumer dollars away from the Challenger. Plus I just bought a car so I don't wanna buy another one too soon

So you complain about American cars...

then say you're going to buy one...

[Mommy]

lol, I know right.... and a Dodge at that.

[Oasis]

So you complain about American cars...

then say you're going to buy one...

And I never specifically said buy foreign. How about buy the best product on the market, regardless of where it's made? I really do hope American car companies would start building better quality cars. Unfortunately, right now they're lagging behind foreign manufacturers

As for the Challenger, I'm sure it'll crap out after 80k miles...but sweet Jesus, think about all the teenage ass I'll get from miles 1-79999!

[Mommy]

Heaven forbid you date someone over 20. It seems you thrive off of drama, though, and those youngins sure do bring the drama.

[Oasis]

Heaven forbid you date someone over 20. It seems you thrive off of drama, though, and those youngins sure do bring the drama.

Haha I was joking. I dated a few 19 year olds. NEVER AGAIN! My girlfriend is 26

[impala454]

All this hate over certain car brands... they're all fine. If you buy one new and take care of it, any vehicle should be fine. If you buy used you really take the risk of getting a vehicle that was abused.

[jonathan83]

All this hate over certain car brands... they're all fine. If you buy one new and take care of it, any vehicle should be fine. If you buy used you really take the risk of getting a vehicle that was abused molested.

fify

[Spectatrix]

Are you friggin kidding me Christine? Come on you're an engineer, why don't you quantify the data you posted and think about it. That number given is problems per 100 vehicles in the first 90 days. So Jaguar scored a 1.12 problems per vehicle, whereas Honda scored a 1.10. Gimme a break. Does this mean you're going to have 0.02 more problems with a Jag on average, so you should buy a Honda instead?

Oh, you're not going to rail about what a bunch of BS statistical analysis is? Color me surprised.

I could also go and look up the Consumer Reports data that supports the assertion that foreign cars are better than domestic, but I went with the first thing I found. Gimme a break, I WAS IN THE FREAKIN' HOSPITAL.

No, not all GMs suck. No, not all Chryslers suck. Yes, Toyota and Honda have some bad models and will have lemons, just like any other company. But overall, quality assessments favor foreign vehicles over domestic ones. From the Consumer Reports stuff I've read in the past, plus anecdotal evidence from friends & family, I trust Toyota and Honda over domestic vehicles. That's not a stupid or hippy-ish assessment. Vehicle quality is a large part of the reason why Ford is weathering the economic problems rather well, while the other two are on the verge of bankruptcy. The UAW sucks donkey dick, but they are not the *only* reason those two car companies are suffering.

[impala454]

I could also go and look up the Consumer Reports data that supports the assertion that foreign cars are better than domestic, but I went with the first thing I found. Gimme a break, I WAS IN THE FREAKIN' HOSPITAL.

Hospital... that's no excuse!

No, not all GMs suck. No, not all Chryslers suck. Yes, Toyota and Honda have some bad models and will have lemons, just like any other company. But overall, quality assessments favor foreign vehicles over domestic ones. From the Consumer Reports stuff I've read in the past, plus anecdotal evidence from friends & family, I trust Toyota and Honda over domestic vehicles.

That's perfectly fine for you to use your own anecdotal evidence and what you read to choose a vehicle or a brand you prefer. I do the same thing. But it's not some overwhelming evidence of fundamental "build quality" differences between various companies.

That's not a stupid or hippy-ish assessment.

For the record (since apparently my references to Cathryn were more subtle than I anticipated), I was referring to her constant generalizing of everything. I.e. "most scientists believe blah". That's very simlilar to the statements being made in this thread.

Vehicle quality is a large part of the reason why Ford is weathering the economic problems rather well, while the other two are on the verge of bankruptcy. The UAW sucks donkey dick, but they are not the *only* reason those two car companies are suffering.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. All you have to do is take a few minutes to look at the companies' financials. It's definitely not for a lack of revenue (vehicle sales). If vehicle quality was any part of the reason for the domestic's financial troubles, then how is it they're still selling so many vehicles?

http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_3022-autosales.html
Top 20 vehicle sales for March 2009 (in order):

Ford PU
Toyota Camry
Chevy Silverado
Honda Accord
Toyota Corolla
Honda Civic
Nissan Altima
Dodge Ram
Chevy Malibu
Honda CRV
Ford Fusion
Chevy Impala
Ford Escape
Hyundai Sonata
Ford Focus
Toyota RAV4
Dodge Caravan
Jeep Wrangler
Pontiac G6
Mazda 3

12 of the top 20 are domestic vehicles. 4 of the top 10 are domestics. Not a single foreign pickup even made the list. So these generalized ideas that "build quality" suffers are a little unfounded in my opinion. Deciding which vehicle/brand you like, of course is no big deal. But choosing what you like and then deciding the others are crap, dumb IMHO. I had a run of bad luck at one of the local fancy steakhouses around here. It doesn't mean it's not a great place, but I am a little turned off to go there now. Make sense?