Stop hiring illegals to do our dirty work Options

[Billy]

spanish is the only other prevalent language in the United States at least. 82% english, 10% spanish, the other 8% is a make up of way over 13 languages

http://www.mla.org/map_main - modern language association.

and does anyone really care about canada?

I agree with that. But I don't agree it's the only other prevalent language in this hemisphere. I also wouldn't agree that it's the only other prevalent language in North America.

[Testm0nkey]

from doing a quick search Spanish is what a pretty big majority of people speak in Mexico and English is spoken in the homes of over 67% of Canadian homes and french in only 21.5%.

it mentions people speaking french in mexico of course but doesnt seem to be very prevalent at all

[Billy]

Even if you disagree that French is not another prevalent language in North America (which wikipedia seems to think so as it lists English, Spanish, and French as the primary languages of North America), there is no dispute that Portuguese is not a prevalent language in this hemisphere, which still makes Seth's original statement wrong.

[False Dude]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas#Languages

Wikipedia has the languages spoken in the western hemisphere as:

# Spanish – spoken by approximately 320 million in many nations, regions, islands, and communities throughout both continents.
# English – spoken by approximately 300 million people in the United States, Canada, Jamaica, Trinidad and Tobago, The Bahamas, Bermuda, Belize, Guyana, and many islands of the Caribbean.
# Portuguese – spoken by approximately 185 million in South America, mostly Brazil[30]
# French – spoken by approximately 12 million in Canada (majority 7 million in Québec—see also Québec French), and Acadian communities in New Brunswick and Nova Scotia); the Caribbean (Haiti, Guadeloupe, Martinique); French Guiana; the French islands of Saint Pierre and Miquelon; and Acadiana (a Francophone area in southern Louisiana, United States).

[Mommy]

Jessica, the argument here isn't "should we learn spanish or not". Do you get that??

I AM NOT DISPUTING LEARNING SPANISH.

AGAIN.

I AM NOT DISPUTING LEARNING SPANISH.

I am disputing the claim that spanish is the only other prevalent language in North America.

IN PLAIN CAPPED TEXT: I - AM - DISPUTING - THE - CLAIM - THAT - SPANISH - IS - THE - ONLY - OTHER - PREVALENT - LANGUAGE - IN - NORTH - AMERICA.

I am not arguing one way or the other if we should speak spanish. I don't give a damn if we should speak spanish or not. Maybe we should. But that has nothing to do with ANYTHING I've been saying past my first post. The only argument I presented to not learning spanish was my first post, which wasn't even my argument. I personally feel we should learn spanish, but I couldn't answer the "is catering to one group of people fair to the other minority groups without catering to all minority groups" argument presented to me by someone much more intelligent than any of us on here, so I thought I would post it.

But yet I'm the one who can't follow an argument? You can't even realize the argument changed. HILARIOUS.

This picture summarizes your bitching at me:



And Seth is equally retarded for backing you. He should know better.



Edit: Since you're going to reply, could you do me a favor in your next post? I want you to answer this question: Is Spanish the only other prevalent language in North America? I want yes, or no. Then, I want you to answer this question: Is Spanish the only prevalent language in this hemisphere? Please, yes or no.

yes, Spanish is the only PREVALENT language in North America. French is spoken in one province in Canada (but English is also spoken there) and in some obscure islands in the bahamas. That's it. Western Hemisphere? Portuguese is somewhat prevalent in that it's spoken in the large nation of Brazil; HOWEVER, in learning Spanish, one can communicate pretty decently with someone who speaks Portuguese. As already stated, I had a friend in high school who spoke Portuguese only and she was able to communicate with all the Spanish-speakers at my high school just fine.

[THECHICKEN]

Even if you disagree that French is not another prevalent language in North America (which wikipedia seems to think so as it lists English, Spanish, and French as the primary languages of North America), there is no dispute that Portuguese is not a prevalent language in this hemisphere, which still makes Seth's original statement wrong.

Whats funny is you understand what i said... perfectly well apparently. But instead of simply saying you agree/disagree spanish should be learned in school, you like to argue over symantics. Of course other languages are spoken... no shit Sherlock. But the POINT which you apparently understand and want to ignore, or don't understand and don't care to try, is not "how many languages are spoken," its that Spanish is, by far, spoken the MOST besides English. You can argue the definition of Prevalent all you want... shit, start your own thread for it... have at it. But im not arguing with you over symantics.

THIS IS MY POINT:
http://download.travlang.com/Ergane/northam.htm

Shows break down of languages spoken... french in canada= 6,000,000.... the domenican republic covers that, and then cuba adds 10,000,000 to raise it. (oh and then theres the whole "mexico" country that speaks spanish).
-i don't care how accurate or old that is, we all know its just showing a point.
-obviously different places speak spanish differently... sometimes so much that other spanish speakers can't understand them.

SO... to recap. English and Spanish are the MOST spoken languages in North America, we should speak at least those two. I think Spanish should be the 2nd language taught in school and should be mandatory to learn. Hell, make a third language and option too (for billy's french), I don't give a fuck. Its a common sense approach to finding a second language that everyone should know.

So if you would like to continue arguing over nothing, for no other reason than being a drama mama... feel free bill. Also feel free to actually, for once, address something in a civil manner.

[Billy]

The reason why I argued over semantics is because currently, I am in Lousiana, where French is actually spoken, and spanish isn't seen anywhere. So right here in Lousiana, besides English, French is the only other prevalent language.

What point would it serve for people in Maine, Ohio, Michigan, etc (basically, northern states) to have to learn spanish as a second language when they don't even have contact with it? I personally feel the people should have a choice as to what they wish to learn. In Texas, it would be practical to learn spanish as a second language, but it should still be a choice what the student wants to learn.


Just some trivia I thought might be interesting to you: In Lousiana, in order to force the population to become majority English speaking, they banned speaking French in schools in 1918 (which they lifted in 1968). It worked. In the 60 years they had this ban, they successfully transformed the area from a French speaking one to an English speaking one. Maybe this strategy should be employed in Texas.

[Mommy]

umm Mexicans hump like rabbits and spread like wildfire. If they arent in those states yet, they will be there soon.

[Testm0nkey]

"french" in Louisiana is not actual french and the people that speak it are not french

and totally cutting off direction in spanish to spanish speaking students doesnt work. (in regards to billys statement about maybe that language ban should be used in texas schools). unless you just dont believe spanish speaking children should be allowed in the same schools as white kids...

[FORSAKENR320]

"french" in Louisiana is not actual french and the people that speak it are not french

thats like saying that mexicans don't truely speak spanish....since they aren't really spaniards

and totally cutting off direction in spanish to spanish speaking students doesnt work. (in regards to billys statement about maybe that language ban should be used in texas schools). unless you just dont believe spanish speaking children should be allowed in the same schools as white kids...

i disagree. i think though the histories isolation has been very effective at lessening actions..... it will never stop it completely, history has proven that all too well. certain movements and actions being condemned has definately set those actions and movements back several centuries.... hell, look at how long it's taken women to be considered equal?

but the point is not to eliminate spanish, it's to force these bean-eaters to be capable of interacting with society. we are here first. our economy means more. they need to get with the program. they came here by choice. i don't walk into someone elses house and begin telling them how to clean it and what time dinner should be served. niether should they

[Psykopath]

thats like saying that mexicans don't truely speak spanish....since they aren't really spaniards
i disagree. i think though the histories isolation has been very effective at lessening actions..... it will never stop it completely, history has proven that all too well. certain movements and actions being condemned has definately set those actions and movements back several centuries.... hell, look at how long it's taken women to be considered equal?

but the point is not to eliminate spanish, it's to force these bean-eaters to be capable of interacting with society. we are here first. our economy means more. they need to get with the program. they came here by choice. i don't walk into someone elses house and begin telling them how to clean it and what time dinner should be served. niether should they

orly?

[FORSAKENR320]

orly?

if the mexicans wanna take a swing at us and stick us on reservations, they are more than welcome to try.


native americans..... should have fought harder....pussies




and by "we are here first" i mean you and me, our families, america as is today. we already live here. if they want to move here, they better do as we do or go the fuck back

[Mommy]

"french" in Louisiana is not actual french and the people that speak it are not french

and totally cutting off direction in spanish to spanish speaking students doesnt work. (in regards to billys statement about maybe that language ban should be used in texas schools). unless you just dont believe spanish speaking children should be allowed in the same schools as white kids...

honestly, border spanish is different from spanish spoken in Mexico City, Spain, etc that it's almost like another language. Yeah, people can communicate with each other, but when I was in high school, I was the only non-native Spanish speaking person in my Spanish 3 class, and I left that class with the highest grade because all the Mexicans in that class spoke border Spanish which is a lot of slang and improper conjugations. It was eaiser for me to learn proper Spanish grammar than it was for them, who already spoke Spanish

[Testm0nkey]

did you mean to quote brandon?

to call creole French is absolutely absurd . side story yay! i had a friend in HS who was from backwoods Louisiana . her mom proceeded to tell my mother, who was born and raised in france, that she was french. my mom, being a french woman, tore her a new asshole. but aside from that story thats like saying someone born and raised in Vermont is English because England held a colony there

and from someone whos had a class about ESL teaching and had to have this on test after test, isolation is not a good teaching method

[Mommy]

did you mean to quote brandon?

to call creole French is absolutely absurd . side story yay! i had a friend in HS who was from backwoods Louisiana . her mom proceeded to tell my mother, who was born and raised in france, that she was french. my mom, being a french woman, tore her a new asshole. but aside from that story thats like saying someone born and raised in Vermont is English because England held a colony there

and from someone whos had a class about ESL teaching and had to have this on test after test, isolation is not a good teaching method

well, i was just saying Spanish isnt really spanish around here either. its super broken