WOOHOO!!! FEWER VOTES FOR THE DEMOCRATS!!!! Options

[Dogmeat]

http://www.newsmax.com/politics/nader/2008/02/24/75091.html

Nader Announces Run for President

Sunday, February 24, 2008 10:30 AM

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WASHINGTON -- Ralph Nader said Sunday he will run for president as a third-party candidate, criticizing the top White House contenders as too close to big business and pledging to repeat a bid that will "shift the power from the few to the many."

Nader, 73, said most people are disenchanted with the Democratic and Republican parties due to a prolonged Iraq war and a shaky economy. The consumer advocate also blamed tax and other corporate-friendly policies under the Bush administration that he said have left many lower- and middle-class people in debt.

"You take that framework of people feeling locked out, shut out, marginalized and disrespected," he said. "You go from Iraq, to Palestine to Israel, from Enron to Wall Street, from Katrina to the bumbling of the Bush administration, to the complicity of the Democrats in not stopping him on the war, stopping him on the tax cuts."

"In that context, I have decided to run for president," Nader told NBC's "Meet the Press."

Nader also criticized Republican candidate John McCain and Democrats Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton for failing to support full Medicare for all or cracking down on Pentagon waste and a "bloated military budget. He blamed that on corporate lobbyists and special interests, which he said dominate Washington, D.C., and pledged in his third-party campaign to accept donations only from individuals.

"The issue is do they have the moral courage, do they have the fortitude to stand up to corporate powers and get things done for the American people," Nader said. "We have to shift the power from the few to the many."

Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee, speaking shortly before Nader's announcement, said Nader's past runs have shown that he usually pulls votes from the Democratic nominee. "So naturally, Republicans would welcome his entry into the race," the former Arkansas governor said on CNN.

Nader also ran as a third-party candidate in the 2000 and 2004 presidential elections. He is still loathed by many Democrats who call him a spoiler and claim his candidacy in 2000 cost the party the election by siphoning votes away from Al Gore in a razor-thin contest in Florida. Nader vociferously disputes the spoiler claim, saying only Democrats are to blame for losing the race to George W. Bush.

Though he won 2.7 percent of the national vote as the Green Party candidate in 2000, his percentage dropped to just 0.3 percent as an independent in 2004, when he appeared on the ballot in only 34 states.

I just love how he blames "corporations" for people's debt problems.

That's like blaming McDonalds for being a fat slob.

But, this means less votes for the socialists, so I'm happy he's running

[Psykopath]

http://www.newsmax.com/politics/nader/2008/02/24/75091.html
I just love how he blames "corporations" for people's debt problems.

That's like blaming McDonalds for being a fat slob.

But, this means less votes for the socialists, so I'm happy he's running

lol

Everytime you say this I giggle. You talking politics is the equivalent of me trying to explain the finer points of snowmobiling.

[Spectatrix]

Unless he runs with the Green Party, he won't have an effect. He ran as an indie last time and couldn't even get on the ballot in most states.

[Dogmeat]

lol

Everytime you say this I giggle. You talking politics is the equivalent of me trying to explain the finer points of snowmobiling.

Explain to me how democrats are not socialists.

Really.

[Psykopath]

Explain to me how democrats are not socialists.

Really.

When will you be in Lubbock next (if ever)? I'd prefer to discuss such things in person. I hate "arguing" over the internet.

But to summarize a mild response:
Socialism means "total state ownership of the means of production and distribution."
Very different than, say, something that is "socialIZED," whereby regulation is put in place over certain aspects of an industry (such as healthcare) in order to restrict negative economic practices (such as monopolization, price gouging, etc...) whilst promoting growth and development within a capitalist system.
I think this might be one area in which some confusion may be arising on your part.


...That, or you're just being an ass by incorrectly blasting those with differing views than your own with political labels that are historically the "villains of Western society."
A tactic not unlike those utilized by Karl Rove...you salty dog, you. =)











...Come to Lubbock! bastard...

[pysex]

one is for big businesses and less government

the other is for big government and less businesses


it really depends on what sounds better to you



i really hate them both

[Dogmeat]

When will you be in Lubbock next (if ever)? I'd prefer to discuss such things in person. I hate "arguing" over the internet.

But to summarize a mild response:
Socialism means "total state ownership of the means of production and distribution."
Very different than, say, something that is "socialIZED," whereby regulation is put in place over certain aspects of an industry (such as healthcare) in order to restrict negative economic practices (such as monopolization, price gouging, etc...) whilst promoting growth and development within a capitalist system.
I think this might be one area in which some confusion may be arising on your part.
...That, or you're just being an ass by incorrectly blasting those with differing views than your own with political labels that are historically the "villains of Western society."
A tactic not unlike those utilized by Karl Rove...you salty dog, you. =)
...Come to Lubbock! bastard...

But that in itself appears to me to be very anti-capitalist, even if it isn't the "extreme" of being %100 anti-capitalist.

Price caps, government regulation of how much business can profit, etc ... I dunno that just wreeks of communism to me. I guess the only real thing I have a hard time differentiating is the difference between communism and socialism, other than "socialism" is sort of like the diet coke of communism ...

[impala454]

While calling them "socialist" might be exaggerating, you guys can't deny that a lot of what the democrats propose do lean that direction and take us away from caplitalism. If you had to draw up a scale, where -5 is the most socialist and +5 is the most capitalist, I'd put our democrats' views around a -2.

[Dogmeat]

While calling them "socialist" might be exaggerating, you guys can't deny that a lot of what the democrats propose do lean that direction and take us away from caplitalism. If you had to draw up a scale, where -5 is the most socialist and +5 is the most capitalist, I'd put our democrats' views around a -2.

eh, I'd go -3.5 myself.

[The Fanatic]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/25/nader/index.html

Nader said he does not believe that any of the candidates, including McCain, will come through on pledges to reduce the influence of special interests in Washington.

"First of all, if they wanted to do that, they'd put front and center public funding of public campaigns," cracking down on corporate crimes and other issues. "Washington has closed its doors on citizen groups," he complained, calling the nation's capital "corporate-occupied territory."

"We have to give the system more competition, more voices, more choices, more freedom, more diversity," Nader said in a defense of his candidacy

Nader, if only you had a shot at winning the presidency... If Clinton is nominated I will vote for Nader.