Texas State makes the yahoo.com homepage, over students' rights to carry concealed weapons Options

[Billy]

what the hell, you people?

Again, I stand by my vote of no. The legislation passed to include an ammendment to go to student referendum.

So why do you stand by your vote? A good argument has been put forward as to why your vote may not be in the best interest of the public, yet you give no explanation why you stand by your vote. Is it because you have 'faith' that your policy is better for the public, or are you hiding some powerful explanation with research and data that shows concealed weapons on campus will be disasterous?

Because if it's faith that you use, I can name off atleast 4 people on here that will agree with your blind style of policy making.

[Melanie]

It's not faith. It's practicality. It only involves a small percentage of students, 21 and older that pass the test for CHLs. Now I will use a hypothetical. Who's to say that a person with a CHL doesn't get overpowered?

[GOB]

Had the UPD been properly trained, things would have been different.

haha, wow

[Melanie]

haha, wow

They would have... UPD considered the case closed and did nothing, no University announcements, no mobile campus. NOTHING. I guess that's the problem with mobile campus period. VTech has it, Texas State and Tech have it, as do many other universities. Yet, all I get are coupons. No emergencies. I guess since I'm at work I can't ellaborate more.

[THECHICKEN]

At my law school i know of 2 kids with CHLs and im happy to allow them on campus. Since its a private school they aren't as strict as public schools (thankfully).

I think that people who get CHL's are more responsible and qualified with a hand gun than an everyday joe. I know that if shit went down on my campus i would want to be able to protect myself with more than a phone call to the police and a book to throw.

Further, since it IS a small amount of people (21 and over who actually own a pistol and a CHL) i think its not unreasonable to allow them on campus with something the government has told them they are qualified to carry.

[Billy]

It's not faith. It's practicality. It only involves a small percentage of students, 21 and older that pass the test for CHLs. Now I will use a hypothetical. Who's to say that a person with a CHL doesn't get overpowered?

Ok, they get over-powered (very risky attempt, but let's say the offender is not rational and somehow succeeds in not getting himself killed by attacking someone with a gun, while he, himself, is unarmed). Would there not be another with a weapon nearby?

Just put yourself in the shoes of a criminal. Who are you going to try to rob? A group of people that are unarmed, or a group of people who are armed? If you are an insane psychopath hell-bent on slaughting a group of people, are you going to attempt it against those who are unarmed, or those who are armed? (hopefully the answer is obvious)

When everyone is armed, it becomes collectively less probable any one of them will try to commit an act of violence against any of the other for fear out of not only not succeeding, but also getting killed in the act. However, when only one is armed, they feel powerful. And when someone feels powerful, they do horrible things they wouldn't otherwise have done out of shear fear of failure.

This is my reasoning. I suppose it is only speculation that a criminal would reason the same. But even if a criminal would still attempt a crime against an armed society, the damage they can cause is much much less. You will never see again, one man with a gun slaughter a bunch of helpless students. Yes, they might still get away with murdering 1 or 2. But 30? 40? Never again.

[Jim]

I would make a comment regarding this, but most of what I feel has been said.

Constitutional rights being taken away by a State Funded University? A public place? Soudns kinda bad to me.

[Testm0nkey]

i just wouldnt want my university to turn into a western style shootout whatever the cause or meaningful intention. i would like to avoid bullets flying anywhere around me

[blaarg]

i just wouldnt want my university to turn into a western style shootout whatever the cause or meaningful intention. i would like to avoid bullets flying anywhere around me

Ideally, I think everyone would want to avoid bullets flying everywhere, but we live in a very different world and I think it is best to be prepared.

As to Forum Warrior, I don't think arming people necessarily would reduce the number of school shootings. I think people who are like that are pretty much crazy to begin with and would pursue their "goal" to the death if necessary (as seen in a number of shootings).

However, I do think you are right that the severity of said shootings would be reduced if responsible gun possession is allowed on campus.

Like I said, I think the biggest reason why I would be against this measure is the possibility of an increase in accidental shootings...I don't have any evidence/stats to support this "feeling" but it seems to me the more guns you have in an area, the likely hood (albeit small) is increased of an accident...

I still don't understand why you (Melanie) voted against the measure. If you think that more money should be given to security to increase their personnel is the solution, aren't you providing the campus with more people with concealed handgun licenses on campus anyway (by means of an increase in security forces)? Why not cut out the middle man and allow students who have passed similar licensing tests to carry...

[Melanie]

THEY ARE ACTUALLY TRAINED. That's their job. hello... PD! come on now. Now you're saying, "We should just get rid of Police on campus." Essentially, that's what you're saying. Cut the middle man out. Absolutely not.

It doesn't matter anyways as to how I voted, I stated twice before, unless you people can't read (and I said it because I'm still a little confused by what you meant by 'you people' regarding me), it's going to student referendum at Texas State University. I won't even get to vote on it then. It's in the hands of the students if they want to allow it to go to the Legislature. We can't even make it a rule on our campus, we have to go through the State Legislature which doesn't even meet until January of 09. There, they will decide if State Public Institutions should go to CHL zoned institutions.


Oh, and I'm still convinced that Traci Adams (and I'm not afraid to tell her this to her face, I did it in our ASG meeting on Monday night) is doing this out of paranoia. That's all this is, paranoia.

[Jim]

THEY ARE ACTUALLY TRAINED. That's their job. hello... PD! come on now. Now you're saying, "We should just get rid of Police on campus." Essentially, that's what you're saying. Cut the middle man out. Absolutely not.

It doesn't matter anyways as to how I voted, I stated twice before, unless you people can't read (and I said it because I'm still a little confused by what you meant by 'you people' regarding me), it's going to student referendum at Texas State University. I won't even get to vote on it then. It's in the hands of the students if they want to allow it to go to the Legislature. We can't even make it a rule on our campus, we have to go through the State Legislature which doesn't even meet until January of 09. There, they will decide if State Public Institutions should go to CHL zoned institutions.
Oh, and I'm still convinced that Traci Adams (and I'm not afraid to tell her this to her face, I did it in our ASG meeting on Monday night) is doing this out of paranoia. That's all this is, paranoia.

Training does not mean prepared.

[THECHICKEN]

I don't understand why people are so against this personally (accept people who are just naturally against guns like cat). People with CHL's can go everywhere else in society (including "stressful environments" like work) and no western style shootouts have been all over the news. But in college, where you have adolescents who may become unstable and start shooting up fellow students, people aren't allowed to protect themselves like in the rest of society.

I just think that CHL's are responsible and qualified enough for the government to allow them to conceal in other aspects of society, and i don't think CHL's on campus would make it any more dangerous... the opposite actually.

[Mommy]

cant go to convenience stores with a weapon

[THECHICKEN]

cant go to convenience stores with a weapon

Yes you can, there is no law against it, however, a store CAN prohibit CHL's with a sign that correctly and properly recites the statute forbiding CHL's. (if not posted correctly you can still carry on the premises)

[Jim]

Yes you can, there is no law against it, however, a store CAN prohibit CHL's with a sign that correctly and properly recites the statute forbiding CHL's. (if not posted correctly you can still carry on the premises)

Yay law school!