Mike Huckabee, Are you KIDDING me?! Options

[Psykopath]

7 days.... in god days... duh

Do you know how long a god day is? Uber long. Why do you think its taking so long to come back and get us. He's all like "hey i'll brb" and we are all "orly", he's like "ya rly, here is my son, he'll vouch". Then he's at the bar for a couple hours and is all like "oh shit i left the cake in the oven... damn its gunna be burnt"

then he comes back

lollin

[blaarg]

you arent even listening. i never said i believed the 7 days were literal.
you were still wrong

I'm still looking into the mentioned "scientists" and I've been searching for journal articles that they have published which have 1) validated their claim, 2) are published in a reputable scientific journal, 3) not filled with speculations which have been debunked or personal statements of their "faith in the young age of the world."
I've been unable to find any such articles which would fit the above criteria...

Don't you think that if there was any potential validity to their claims (you know evidence which isn't totally baseless) it would be lauded all over the scientific community and extensively reviewed...?

and yes I guess I was wrong by making a blanket statement that all scientists agree with the old age of the Earth, however, I think that 6 out of a lot is essentially zero...I'm sure I could find more PhDs who are committed into mental rehabilitation wards, doesn't make their views of the world potentially valid...

As for radiometric dating goes, carbon dating is used to get an estimate on age (as Hartmann already statement) but more refined dates are regularly used to get a more accurate estimate. In fact, the oldest known rocks are dated with a variety of radiometric schemes which have higher accuracies and precisions. And you are right in saying that "I am no scientist," but you don't need to be a scientist to understand the age of the earth, only knowledge from an 8th grade earth science class...

[jonathan83]

i'm not gonna try to look them up right now because i'm tired, but did you look into Francis Collins?

[blaarg]

i'm not gonna try to look them up right now because i'm tired, but did you look into Francis Collins?

from the wikisite:

In his book Collins examines and subsequently rejects creationism and Intelligent Design.

His own belief system is Theistic Evolution (TE) which he prefers to term BioLogos. BioLogos rests on the following premises: (1) The universe came into being out of nothingness, approximately 14 billion years ago, (2) Despite massive improbabilities, the properties of the universe appear to have been precisely tuned for life, (3) While the precise mechanism of the origin of life on earth remains unknown, once life arose, the process of evolution and natural selection permitted the development of biological diversity and complexity over very long periods of time, (4) Once evolution got under way no special supernatural intervention was required, (5) Humans are part of this process, sharing a common ancestor with the great apes, (6) But humans are also unique in ways that defy evolutionary explanation and point to our spiritual nature. This includes the existence of the Moral Law (the knowledge of right and wrong) and the search for God that characterizes all human cultures throughout history.

Although I don't believe in this particular interpretation, this is definitely more "plausible" interpretation of the origins of the universe/earth/etc (compared with the "theory" that the Earth is a couple thousand years old)... and I would have issue with his point that humans are unique in ways that defy evolutionary explanation (I don't think those issues he brought up defies evolutionary explanation)...

[Mommy]

I dont believe in evolution... would any of you say that Im a religious zealot...because I most certainly am not. I never go to church, I dont pray or read the Bible, never preach to others, etc.
I agree with Jonathan... evolution is still a theory and anyone who says that scientific FACT backs it up is sorely misinformed. I dont argue for creation or against evolution, but something inside of me feels that there is more to life than a random formation of quarks into atoms, atoms into molecules, molecules into compounds...etc. I dont care enough to argue.
Im immensely SICK AND FUCKING TIRED of atheistic assholes talking down to Christians for believing differently than them. Insecure maybe? Who knows.

[Billy]

I dont believe in evolution... would any of you say that Im a religious zealot...because I most certainly am not. I never go to church, I dont pray or read the Bible, never preach to others, etc.
I agree with Jonathan... evolution is still a theory and anyone who says that scientific FACT backs it up is sorely misinformed. I dont argue for creation or against evolution, but something inside of me feels that there is more to life than a random formation of quarks into atoms, atoms into molecules, molecules into compounds...etc. I dont care enough to argue.
Im immensely SICK AND FUCKING TIRED of atheistic assholes talking down to Christians for believing differently than them. Insecure maybe? Who knows.

And I'm SICK AND FUCKING TIRED of idiots who think faith is something sacred and something anyone should take seriously. Sorry, but faith translates into "yes, I'll believe what you say without question or evidence". I'm sorry, but if you asked any intelligent human being to believe in your claim without question or evidence, they would laugh at you. I'm also tired of christians who believe in an unproven god, of which there is no evidence to support the existance of, yet completely reject an idea that has quite a bit of evidence in support of it. You reject without even knowing anything about it. That baffles me.

So we have two suspects in a crime, one doesn't have anything other than far fetched circumstantial evidence to show he committed it, and the other suspect is OJ Simpson. Yeah, maybe neither of them did it, but if I have to pick one, I'm going to believe in the one that atleasts looks like he could have done it.


*(for clarification, my rant on "faith" was in response to jonathan)

[GOB]

am i the only one that notices the gigantic agnostic elephant standing on the altar?

[Testm0nkey]

brain development pretty much proves evolution. i dont understand why its called a "theory" except to not offend religious people

[Divergent Realit...]

brain development pretty much proves evolution. i dont understand why its called a "theory" except to not offend religious people

details?

[Testm0nkey]

super abridged version but the similarities between human and animal brain development and learning, the 3 regions of the brain that develop (or 3 levels of evolution in the brain because thats what it is) - first the hind brain of "reptilian brain" this is where basic life functions happen like breathing and fine muscle movement its the oldest form of the brain and the first to develope in humans. some life forms only have this part of the brain and they are the animals and insects that can see identified through fossil record as "oldest".
next layer is the mammalian brain, reptiles and "lower" animals dont have this. this layer is where emotion, attention and basic processes of learning and memory take place. in human development it is the 2nd layer to develop prenatal
last level is the neomammalian brain which is exclusive to primates. this is where the apex of human ability takes place like abstract reasoning, behavioral control and working memory. it is the last level to develop in humans and hooked up to EEG's and EMG's this is where most new neural connections take place - or brain evolution

the brain takes on that scrunched up wrinkly appearance because of evolution. you can see by fossil records that brains used to be smaller. as people/animals evolved their brains grew bigger but because environment has restrictions on how big you can grow the brain had to fold over onto itself to fit inside peoples heads (peoples head size has also increased they say to an extent).

also comparisons between human brain and animal brain shows they are very similar. the human brain changed when people started walking on two legs. instead of being "in front" the brain became "on top" and the spinal cord/brain stem had to go along with these changes including changing in shape

there are entire textbooks on this but evolution particularly brain development is really interesting

my favorite tidbit - all brain chemistry is based off a few ions these are Cl, K, Na, Ca. is it just coincidence that these are the primary ions that are in earth's oceans where the leading theory's and research say people developed out of? evolution uses what is in abundance and around, those ions were it when life sprung out of the ocean when the atmosphere became hospitable

[Hartmann]

I think it is near impossible to say anything conclusive about the brain. It's the one piece of human anatomy that we understand very little about.

[THECHICKEN]

Through time things have gotten progressively more and more complex (fossil-wise). Just by observation things have "evolved" into more complex things.

Im not sure why science can't co-exist with faith. To me, if god made a world of free will, he wouldn't be able to show him self (or else do you really have a choice if you know the right and wrong?) and thus there would have to be a world based on rules to run without his intervention. Science explores the constants of our world. Just because science shows these rules and constants does not mean they disprove god, it just means they exist.

thats why its faith... you think it was random and happened on own, or was started by ...something. Either way, the rules and constants of the world we live in remain.

[Hartmann]

I actually agree with you very much Chicken.

If God is all powerful, why is He not powerful enough to create an evolutionary process.

All God has to do is put the wheels in motion and let them happen. He knows the result but He still lets it unfold.

[Testm0nkey]

so then you would believe in evolution just that it was started by god. but to not believe in evolution at all is a stretch to me

I think it is near impossible to say anything conclusive about the brain. It's the one piece of human anatomy that we understand very little about.

we actually know a whole lot about it. what they dont know about the brain is the more philosophical questions like the mind and consciousness. but you can read up on studies about every single glial cell and mylinazation of every single neuron and neural maps and brain recovery after trauma etc etc. the "big" stuff has been discovered a long time ago. its all about application now

[Mommy]

The brain and its physical entities is still a huge mystery to scientists. There is so much they don't know. Saying otherwise is complete ignorance.