Mike Huckabee, Are you KIDDING me?! Options

[Billy]

yeah i never said that. i know plenty of christians who believe in evolution.

Like the Pope?

[jonathan83]

lance, what's ron paul's stance?

ron paul is a christian, but not sure about his stance on evolution.

[jonathan83]

wow.

you even recognizing that there is possibility of earth only being a couple of thousand years old is pretty astonishing (your ability to see "both sides" of a one sided issue)...

you even saying that you know for sure earth is millions of years old is astonishing...since you're not a scientist or have any experience in the matter.

i've read arguments on both sides, and the other side does have a lot of interesting things to say (and from leading scientists as well). i remember them saying a lot about how carbon-dating uses a fixed variable that's wayyy off, and basically say it's worthless. i don't know about it, but it's just stuff i've read by researching myself a little bit.

i thought liberals were supposed to be open-minded? that's why i like staying in the middle.

[blaarg]

you even saying that you know for sure earth is millions of years old is astonishing...since you're not a scientist or have any experience in the matter.

i've read arguments on both sides, and the other side does have a lot of interesting things to say (and from leading scientists as well). i remember them saying a lot about how carbon-dating uses a fixed variable that's wayyy off, and basically say it's worthless. i don't know about it, but it's just stuff i've read by researching myself a little bit.

i thought liberals were supposed to be open-minded? that's why i like staying in the middle.

all I can say is wow.

I didn't know I got teleported back to the 1600's....

please bring up sources of these "reputable" scientists who think that the earth is thousands of years old...
ten dollars say they are all got their PhDs in theology...

and if being a liberal means that I am close-minded to egregiously incorrect statements, then I'm guilty as charged..

[jonathan83]

please bring up sources of these "reputable" scientists who think that the earth is thousands of years old...
ten dollars say they are all got their PhDs in theology...

http://www.creationists.org/outstanding.html
you owe me $10.

[jonathan83]

note that many were previously atheists and evolutionists when they started out.

[blaarg]

I like the part of:
"As time permits, more names will be added."

as if time is the limited factor in listing more than 6 names...

[GOB]

i think this thread teleported us all back to 4th grade, when even the slow kids realized the whole six days thing wasn't to be taken literally

[jonathan83]

i think this thread teleported us all back to 4th grade, when even the slow kids realized the whole six days thing wasn't to be taken literally

you arent even listening. i never said i believed the 7 days were literal.

I like the part of:
"As time permits, more names will be added."

as if time is the limited factor in listing more than 6 names...

you were still wrong

[GOB]

that wasn't directed at you.

[jonathan83]

btw blaarg, read about this: http://www.amazon.com/Language-God-Scienti...4459&sr=8-1

a book about Francis Collins...arguably one of if not the best scientist in the world (head of the human genome project). he was an atheist and turned christian. this whole book is about how he became a christian THROUGH learning how it actually makes sense with science. very interesting, even if you're not a christian.

that wasn't directed at you

alright, my bad.

[THECHICKEN]

7 days.... in god days... duh

Do you know how long a god day is? Uber long. Why do you think its taking so long to come back and get us. He's all like "hey i'll brb" and we are all "orly", he's like "ya rly, here is my son, he'll vouch". Then he's at the bar for a couple hours and is all like "oh shit i left the cake in the oven... damn its gunna be burnt"

then he comes back

[Billy]

you even saying that you know for sure earth is millions of years old is astonishing...since you're not a scientist or have any experience in the matter.

i've read arguments on both sides, and the other side does have a lot of interesting things to say (and from leading scientists as well). i remember them saying a lot about how carbon-dating uses a fixed variable that's wayyy off, and basically say it's worthless. i don't know about it, but it's just stuff i've read by researching myself a little bit.

i thought liberals were supposed to be open-minded? that's why i like staying in the middle.

Unfortunately for your argument, carbon dating is only one of many radio active decay methods used to date ancient material. Carbon, however, was discovered to be inaccurate because of all the excess carbon released into the atmosphere. Calibrating can get around this problem:

A raw BP date cannot be used directly as a calendar date, because the level of atmospheric 14C has not been strictly constant during the span of time that can be radiocarbon dated. The level is affected by variations in the cosmic ray intensity which is affected by variations in the earth's magnetosphere caused by solar storms. In addition there are substantial reservoirs of carbon in organic matter, the ocean, ocean sediments (see methane hydrate), and sedimentary rocks. Changing climate can sometimes disrupt the carbon flow between these reservoirs and the atmosphere. The level has also been affected by human activities—it was almost doubled for a short period due to atomic bomb tests in the 1950s and 1960s and has been reduced by the release of large amounts of CO2 from ancient organic sources where 14C is not present—the fossil fuels used in industry and transportation, known as the Suess effect.

wikipedia.

[Hartmann]

Huckabee did a decent job as governor (though I think we should wait 10 more ears before electing anyone from Arkansas again).

Everyone has something that "drives" their decisions, why does it matter if it's religion? Some people use their views of morality to drive their decisions, others use humanism, etc. etc.

I am just not understanding how someone can say that one person's drivers are worse than others. Why? Because your experience with religion has been bad? I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'm sorry you were so turned off by Christianity but it doesn't mean it's wrong, it is just wrong for you.

As far as carbon dating, when I worked at Shell we did carbon dating on drill slugs to make inferences on age. We never took the value as being exact or even extremely close for that matter. The disparity in results was just too great. We would take two drill slugs from wells that were close to each other and get completely different ages, something that shouldn't have happened considering both slugs contained the same makeup.

There are other methods for dating rocks but they are extremely expensive, not much more accurate, and used rarely.

[Testm0nkey]

i think the mix of religion and politics is harmful. like its been said it creates a bias and the fear that the leader of the state or country will be looking to signs from god about course of action to take - exaggeration, but Bush has said that he talks with god before and he looks to his spiritual advisors for guidance. its not that i hate Christianity but the way to run a country should not be based off of one person's form of faith.
and im tired of politicians having to be openly protestant to be even taken seriously. we arent living in the middle east people God shouldnt be the end all be all