Mike Huckabee, Are you KIDDING me?! Options

[Oasis]

Got my vote

[jonathan83]

and just for the record, i dont even know anything about huckabee or his views (except what was said in this thread).

honestly, it doesnt really matter because he won't get the republican primary nomination anyway.

[pebkac]

i understand that, but when was the last time a non-religious president was elected?

i think this is one of those things where you have to choose your battles. all the candidates running for president (with at least a chance) talk about being very religious (including hilary and obama).

Since when did you have to be non-religious to believe in evolution? I know preachers that believe in evolution.

[THECHICKEN]

yeah i dont think anyone who says they are anti religious or even just not stating what they believe would have a good chance of being elected but i think thats wrong

Yeah, seems like every president has to be "moved" by religion to even be considered viable. Some you can tell are less hardcore, but most seem to be religious just for political sake.

[Oasis]

I know preachers that believe in evolution.

Only intelligent ones, who seem to be few and far between

[blaarg]

since you aren't Christian, this is probably something you don't understand, but Christianity is based on faith.

i still don't see why it's important for the president to believe or not believe in evolution. for me, it doesnt make a difference on whether he can do a good job or not.

I find that hard to believe...

So are you saying that if someone was a hardcore pastafarian (flying spaghetti monster) and truly believed that an invisible flying spaghetti monster created the universe and is aiding us in our daily lives and that same person says "my faith in [the flying spaghetti monster] not only influence my decisions, it drives them," isn't valid for the general population to know? You would probably find it EXTREMELY RELEVANT what his personal beliefs on the issue and would probably disregard him as a viable candidate.

[word replace fsm ==> God]

And I'm sorry, if you believe that God created the Earth in 6 days and rested on the 7th you are a religious zealot. The same goes if you believe that humans and dinosaurs coexisted 2500 years ago. Do you KNOW how crazy that sounds...and I would DEFINITELY not want someone who believes that to be running the country, is that so wrong?

[jonathan83]

Since when did you have to be non-religious to believe in evolution? I know preachers that believe in evolution.

yeah i never said that. i know plenty of christians who believe in evolution.

[jonathan83]

And I'm sorry, if you believe that God created the Earth in 6 days and rested on the 7th you are a religious zealot. The same goes if you believe that humans and dinosaurs coexisted 2500 years ago. Do you KNOW how crazy that sounds...and I would DEFINITELY not want someone who believes that to be running the country, is that so wrong?

so you do realize that you're calling 80% of this country religious zealots, right? because this is a core belief of the christian belief...and also for jews and muslims afaik.

and it isn't so hard to believe if you also believe that a man was crucified and came back to life. christianity has a lot of miracles associated with it.

[jonathan83]

for the record, i don't even know where i stand on evolution. it could have happened, or not. i dont know. i dont think ANYONE on here has done enough research to know for sure, have you? it just doesnt matter all that much to me.

we're here. i dont care how.

[Psykopath]

for the record, i don't even know where i stand on evolution. it could have happened, or not. i dont know. i dont think ANYONE on here has done enough research to know for sure, have you? it just doesnt matter all that much to me.

we're here. i dont care how.

Wait, which do you not believe in: 1.) the concept of evolution or 2.) that humans evolved from apes?

This post has been edited by Psykopath: Nov 14 2007, 12:51 AM

[blaarg]

let me also remind you that 80% of Americans are Christians (thanks wikipedia)

Thank god (no pun intended) this is changing. Atheists/agnostics are the faster growing "religious sect" (hah). Jumping from 8.4% to 15% in ten years (91-01) with total Christians dropping by 7.3% from 88.4-81.1% in th same period. I'm sure back in the 1400's a majority of over 80% believed the world was flat....

i think this is one of those things where you have to choose your battles. all the candidates running for president (with at least a chance) talk about being very religious (including hilary and obama).

This is fucking sad that it's true. If the statistics hold up that 15% of Americans are non-religious, then there should be 65 congressmen/women who are non-religious. Well how many are there really: 1. I can imagine that there are ample more who are but don't say it because of the reaction of their constituency (sounds very familiar to gay congressmen/women)...

[jonathan83]

Wait, which do you not believe in: 1.) the concept of evolution or 2.) that humans evolved from apes?

the concept is plausible, but not proven. i'm just stating this mainly for devil's advocate purposes (since nobody else is saying it).

[Psykopath]

the concept is plausible, but not proven. i'm just stating this mainly for devil's advocate purposes (since nobody else is saying it).

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You really don't believe that certain traits in life have evolved to better the survival of certain species, etc., etc., etc.?

Also: Do you believe that the Earth is several billion years old, or merely a few thousand?

This post has been edited by Psykopath: Nov 14 2007, 12:57 AM

[blaarg]

so you do realize that you're calling 80% of this country religious zealots, right? because this is a core belief of the christian belief...and also for jews and muslims afaik.

are you kidding me?!?! you really think that all Christians believe in the literal interpretation of the bible regarding creation? I think it would be safe to say that the whole creation Story is regarded as being untrue in at least some religious circles (if not a majority)....the same reason why only three republican candidates raised there hand to say they didn't believe in evolution and a literal interpretation of the bible.

I just figured most Christians viewed it as something mentioned in the bible but they don't necessarily have to believe (you know, kind of like MOST of Leviticus, Numbers, among other things)...

I think a minority of the 80% believe in the creation story, and those are the religious zealots...

[THECHICKEN]

He's a christian... i don't get it. Most every politician is christian in some regard. Don't want to vote for a christian, dont... But i don't see how this guy is anymore conservative/christian than the next. Hes a conservative... and hes christian. His beliefs seem to follow that line of thinking. Nothing devilish about the guy though (not that i would neccesarily vote for him).