Lethal Injection Cruel & Unusual? Options

[blaarg]

Please evidence this with a link or statistics... i don't believe you

hah I like this. and when he does provide statistics shrug them off by saying they mean nothing and are insignificant.

[impala454]

HAHAHAHA

i was mimicking WHAT YOU DO AT ALL POINTS OF ANY ARGUMENT

god that made my day...

So basically you going against common sense (by saying there is no violence in prison and its too easy) and then bitching CONSTANTLY about no statistics to back up THEORY strikes you as fine. Yet even people DO PROVIDE YOU with statistics you put your fingers in your ears an go "lalalalalalalalallalalalalala"

So call it what you like, i will continue to give back what you like to dish... enjoy

uh... ok... so someone else posts a stat, I use it, and now you're telling me I have no stats to back up my argument? and yet again let me ask you, where/how do I find a statistic for something that doesn't happen? show me the statistics for how many pigs flew yesterday. oh you can't show me it was zero? i guess you can't prove to me that pigs don't fly then...

and glad to see this stupid board makes or breaks your day...

[impala454]

hah I like this. and when he does provide statistics shrug them off by saying they mean nothing and are insignificant.

it's not my fault you failed to understand the only statistics you posted.

[blaarg]

I am just absolutely dumbfounded how you can say that our homicide rate in the US (4.55/100000) is only slightly different than that of Canada (1.59/100000). It is 180% GREATER ! The fact that the rates are low and all in all are uncommon does not mean that there isn't a significant difference. Like I asked before, which you either intentionally didn't answer or you didn't read, what do YOU believe would be a significant difference? What would the homicide rate in the United States have to be for you to think "you know what there might be a difference between us and Canada"

Again using the same example...20/100000 is still a highly unlikely event (.02%) that you would get murdered. What would be a significant homicide rate?

[impala454]

I am just absolutely dumbfounded how you can say that our homicide rate in the US (4.55/100000) is only slightly different than that of Canada (1.59/100000). It is 180% GREATER !

i guess you just don't understand then. go buy three lottery tickets then bud, you'll have a 300% greater chance of winning the lottery. it's a HUGE difference right?

[blaarg]

it's not my fault you failed to understand the only statistics you posted.

No I am fully aware of the statistics I've provided. I know that two to three times the homicide rate as most industrialized countries is a big deal and is significant.

So what is a significant homicide rate? You keep bypassing this, and I have an idea of why this is....

[Testm0nkey]

my under lock and key 24/7 with assault rifles was in response to an earlier post of what impala said prisons should be like

[impala454]

No I am fully aware of the statistics I've provided. I know that two to three times the homicide rate as most industrialized countries is a big deal and is significant.

So what is a significant homicide rate? You keep bypassing this, and I have an idea of why this is....

well look at the percentages and decide... to me a change from 0.0045% to 0.0023% isn't much. if it went up an order of magnitude, say to 0.045% then yeah that's much more significant. but they don't there's not some country in that list where you go in and have a 10x greater chance of being murdered.

[impala454]

my under lock and key 24/7 with assault rifles was in response to an earlier post of what impala said prisons should be like

exactly.

so how does your post from earlier (the one I was referring to) make any sense?

so an actual implemented rehabilitation/job work orientated prison system deters crime and repeat offenders more than putting people under lock and key 24/7 with assault rifles. this is common sense for most people

how is it "common sense" for most people that one is better than the other, when one of them doesn't even happen??

[THECHICKEN]

hah I like this. and when he does provide statistics shrug them off by saying they mean nothing and are insignificant.

Lol im confused why you keep conversing with him. It accomplishing nothing because of his fingers permanently lodged in his brain via the earlobe.

He doesn't think that LARGE differences in crime rates are important... because he has a preconcieved notion and WILL NOT ever think for himself on whether or not he should question his view.

He makes preposterous claims (like jail is easy happy fun time full of good television and nice comfy beds and NO VIOLENCE, and the reason people are going back to jail is because they aren't on 100% lock down) when every piece of common sense and "evidence" would show him wrong (like super max prisons produce the worst criminals because of the HUGE increase in mental problems, etc.), yet he tries to force everyone to disprove his ridiculous claim (which he then ignores if you produce evidence).


Besides, we are off topic anyway, so its like a rolling trainwreck

[THECHICKEN]

exactly.

so how does your post from earlier (the one I was referring to) make any sense?
how is it "common sense" for most people that one is better than the other, when one of them doesn't even happen??

Lock and key is called SUPER MAX PRISON... it was a huge failure prison wise because of the harm caused to both the prisoners and the public if the people get out. States are LARGELY getting away from harsh jails such as super max prisons because of the COMPLETE failure in anything but driving wrong people into HORRIBLE (and crazy) people.

If you don't think pure submission has been tried (and largely failed) then just use google...

of course you don't want to look things up yourself, or question your own beliefs for that matter.

[Testm0nkey]

exactly.

so how does your post from earlier (the one I was referring to) make any sense?
how is it "common sense" for most people that one is better than the other, when one of them doesn't even happen??

they dont have to happen to think logically about how itd work

common sense whats better: an anarchy or a government by the people? does that question make your mind explode? no you have a common sense reaction to it based off tada! - common sense.

[blaarg]

well look at the percentages and decide... to me a change from 0.0045% to 0.0023% isn't much. if it went up an order of magnitude, say to 0.045% then yeah that's much more significant. but they don't there's not some country in that list where you go in and have a 10x greater chance of being murdered.

"OMG, LOLLLZZZ how about you go buy 10 lottery tickets then bud, you'll have 1000% better chance of winning the lottery. It's a HUGE difference right? <high fives self in thinking that the point was proven>"

It's going to be interesting to see how you refute your own point...

[blaarg]

Lol im confused why you keep conversing with him. It accomplishing nothing because of his fingers permanently lodged in his brain via the earlobe.

He doesn't think that LARGE differences in crime rates are important... because he has a preconcieved notion and WILL NOT ever think for himself on whether or not he should question his view.

Thank you for validating my claim. I had to ask around earlier to make sure that I wasn't going crazy....

[pysex]

if one does not commit a motral crime (which should be dealt with by trading their mortality), then I feel they should undergo counseling and rehab while in confinement. otherwise all you're doing is creating a felon who has more issues and bitterness than he previously did.

none of this has jack shit to do with humane vs. inhumane executions.

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