Lethal Injection Cruel & Unusual? Options

[pebkac]

They put them to sleep before putting in the death medicine (because without being asleep it would hurt like a son-of-a-bitch)

The argument is that the pain killers are extremely short term and that the drug that paralyzes you dillutes it causing it to be ineffective and the inmate is unable to exhibit pain because he's paralyzed.

I'm not a doctor, so I can't tell you if that's right or wrong, but that's the argument.

[impala454]

tarp...just wrap that fucker up and dump it all in a coffin!

hell, they could even charge a fee to let someone else shoot the guy and make big bucks!! No tellin what some rich redneck or ghetto gangsta rappa would pay to legally shoot some dude in the face.

[Testm0nkey]

death penalty is cruel and unusual

yes



whats cruel and unusual is a court system that allows repeat offenders to rape again and again

i dont get how people think its a good idea to lock a person up for 10 years and give them no therapy, medication or work training that they need. so people want them to go back on the streets with no skill, no money and no way to make a living for themselves without dealing with the issues that got them there in the first place. you can make jail as scary as you want they will return to crime
theres a reason why some of the most progressive jails have the lowest repeat offender percentages

[impala454]

yeah that's it... it's the court system's fault that people get raped... wow.

[Testm0nkey]

if they let a rapist out after 3 years yes

[impala454]

heaven forbid the criminal be blamed... yeah this definitely needs to get moved to the pussification thread.

[Testm0nkey]

rapist is blamed thats why hes in prison. to allow him back on the streets before he finishes his term is the blame for him raping again because if he was still serving his sentence like he should be the person wouldnt have been raped

[pebkac]

I think what Cathryn is trying to say is that we focus too much on punishment rather than rehabilitation.

In Texas, over 60% of the people that are in prison have been there before. Justice is a big industry. If prisons were set up to prevent people from coming back, a lot of people would be out of jobs and a lot of companies would be out a lot of free or very cheap labor. Therefore, there's a lot of sociologists who argue that our prisons are intentionally set up to keep people coming back, and I think there's some truth to that if not on a conscious level then on an unconscious level (talking about the prison administrators that is).

[Testm0nkey]

that was my first point

[impala454]

I think what Cathryn is trying to say is that we focus too much on punishment rather than rehabilitation.

In Texas, over 60% of the people that are in prison have been there before. Justice is a big industry. If prisons were set up to prevent people from coming back, a lot of people would be out of jobs and a lot of companies would be out a lot of free or very cheap labor. Therefore, there's a lot of sociologists who argue that our prisons are intentionally set up to keep people coming back, and I think there's some truth to that if not on a conscious level then on an unconscious level (talking about the prison administrators that is).

wow... so instead of just using the simple logic that perhaps those who commit imprisonable crimes are prone to do it again, we blame the prison system for making them want to come back so we can have a few jobs!??!

wow.

or we blame the prison system for not rehabilitating people!?!?? geezus.

these are the liberal views that baffle me to this day... (and the whole point of the pussification thread). lets blame everyone else for our problems

punishment is there for a reason. if the punishment isn't harsh enough, the person who commits a crime will do it again because they're not afraid of the punishment.

look at countries where they publicly cane people who vandalize a car, their crime/prison levels are virtually zero.

[Spectatrix]

I think it's a little far-fetched to claim that the prison system is deliberately set up to keep folks returning. The prisons are already overcrowded -- I don't think they need the help.

But I do think that we need to focus more on rehabilitative efforts. Yes, there are asshats out there that are going to continue to kill, rape, pillage, and deal drugs even after extensive rehab, but there are many more that would benefit from rehab. Yes, punish them too. That's what their time in prison is all about. Restriction of freedom, lack of luxuries, all that is punishment. But let's make the most of that time and give some of the prisoners training, therapy, etc. in an attempt to mold them into halfway decent citizens.

It's certainly not the prison's fault if someone gets out and returns to their old habits, but they can probably do more than they do currently to prevent relapse.

This post has been edited by Spectatrix: Oct 3 2007, 01:58 PM

[impala454]

haha "pillage"... you damn renaissance whore

[Spectatrix]

Rape the women, kill the childen, pillage, plunder, and raze the village.

[cupcake]

if one does not commit a motral crime (which should be dealt with by trading their mortality), then I feel they should undergo counseling and rehab while in confinement. otherwise all you're doing is creating a felon who has more issues and bitterness than he previously did.

none of this has jack shit to do with humane vs. inhumane executions.

[THECHICKEN]

Its interesting that we have a society that wants to publicly shame and condemn people for their actions in order to prevent them from doing it again, yet there is no public "welcome back to society for doing your time" ceremony that removes the stigma of being a criminal. That stigma lends to not allowing ex-cons reintegrating back into society and bettering themselves.

Total rehabilitation without punishment is useless because it doesn't shame and change the criminals viewpoint, but pure punishment without rehab leads to harding of criminals and making the reintergration that much harder.

Yes its the criminals fault, but unless we want to bury every law violator in a hole and forget about them, we need to make sure to help them to not hurt society again.