DEATH TO THE REPUBLICANS!!!!!!! Options

[Dogmeat]

http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/greenspan...9/15/32893.html


god damned mother fucking neocon bastards

[impala454]

fuck greenspan. who cares what he has to say? he wants us all to have 15% interest mortgages and 20% car loans.

[Psykopath]

Massive spending is only good if Republicans do it, amirite Impala???

[impala454]

i could give two shits about government spending or who does it as long as it doesn't hike interest rates or taxes like a mofo.

[zetec]

i actually agree with that ^^

[The Fanatic]

Massive government spending is only going to further depreciate the value of the American Dollar adding to the already rampant inflation problem in this country. It is never a positive thing to spend more money than you earn, whether you are a national government or a middle class family. The last thing anyone wants, is an economic collapse of some sort which will eventually arise from the massive amounts of debt in this country in almost every sector of society. It will result in favoring regulations to further monopolize and compact the institution of banking and throwing out fine land in the pocket of creditors forever. In essence, democracy, as we understand it in modern political theory, will be extinguished forever...

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies . . . If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] . . . will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered . . . The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.

-Thomas Jefferson

[THECHICKEN]

Trusting Jefferson's comments regarding the National bank is sketchy at best.

The National bank is what saves our economy in so many instances and makes our system the most reliable economy on the planet. And if greenspan says something, i usually tend to listen. Greenspan was a brilliant economist that should never have his advice taken lightly considering how well he kept up the Fed. during his tenure.

[The Fanatic]

Or

was the economy sabotaged to warrant the creation of the FED and the unconstitutional income tax.

[impala454]

damn have you been hangin out w/lance?

[THECHICKEN]

Or

was the economy sabotaged to warrant the creation of the FED and the unconstitutional income tax.

No....


sorry

[The Fanatic]

Sorry,

Yes

[THECHICKEN]

Sorry,

Yes

lol ok, how about this

Show me how a man who once said "every country needs a revolution every 10 years" is the logical voice over YEARS of success and prevalence of our national bank system. And feel free to show how this conspiracy led to the national bank being approved (and successful)... (oh and i believe it was approved TWICE after the first legislation time elapsed for the bank).


Sorry, i just can't respect anybody who uses Jefferson as thier basis of reason... not after what we know of his logic. Good guy and all, but a lot of his ideas were also overly scared instead of forward thinking.

[The Fanatic]

Let me get back to you on that, I don't have time to write a concise argument. I don't think that Jefferson advocated a revolution every 10 years. He only suggested that sometimes a revolution of social upheaval is necessary to keep the government in check.

[THECHICKEN]

Jefferson was largely against Judicial Review:

"The question whether the judges are invested with exclusive authority to decide on the constitutionality of a law has been heretofore a subject of consideration with me in the exercise of official duties. Certainly there is not a word in the Constitution which has given that power to them more than to the Executive or Legislative branches." --Thomas Jefferson to W. H. Torrance, 1815. ME 14:303

-time has shown judicial review to be a very good system. However, allowing those in legislature and executive to decide whether they are being constitutional (as jefferson wanted), and then relying on the VERY slow process representation reinforcement was just a system that gave WAY too much power to the legislature (since the constitution gives them the power to make law and the fact that voting to oust people who are violating rights is just too slow).
-Not to mention that checks and balances were included WITH seperation of powers.

Jefferson was in favor of limited tenure for judges, and only reappointment for APPROVED decisions.

"It has been thought that the people are not competent electors of judges learned in the law. But I do not know that this is true, and, if doubtful, we should follow principle. In this, as in many other elections, they would be guided by reputation, which would not err oftener, perhaps, than the present mode of appointment." --Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Kercheval, 1816. ME 15:36

"Render the judiciary respectable by every means possible, to wit, firm tenure in office, competent salaries and reduction of their numbers." --Thomas Jefferson to Archibald Stuart, 1791. ME 8:277

Despite his reasoning it has MANY flaws. Like the fact that constant appointments based on APPROVED decisions is a matter of POLITICS for how judges decide cases (instead of using legal reason, precidence, and the constitution). Not to mention the fact that censorable (wrong) decisions by judges CAN be remedied in our current system through impeachment.

And in regards to shay's rebellion and the failed attack on a federal arsenal to create A CIVIL WAR jefferson wrote (from the safety of europe):

"A little rebellion now and then is a good thing. It is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government. God forbid that we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion."

My whole point is that Jefferson is a great founding father, but on a completely different spectrum of what he considers a well run government. It seems that he almost feared loss of freedom SO MUCH that he believe we need an almost constant revolution to keep the government honest.

Personally i am more of a fan of the Federalist Papers (especially Madison's) in regards to believing that a successful government could be created that DOES IN FACT protect the intrests of the people (and insure freedom with checks and balances as well as seperation of powers)

[THECHICKEN]

cnbc is actually running a story on greenspan right now.