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post Jul 20 2007, 12:02 PM
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well for starters the GOP (republicans) are supposed to be for small government and less spending, under the current gop leadership we have a massive federal government which is growing larger every day and the largest budget deficit of any administration in history including even democrats which are FOR spending lots of money

dude, you really are retarded aren't you
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post Jul 20 2007, 12:05 PM
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QUOTE (1up @ Jul 20 2007, 01:02 PM) *
well for starters the GOP (republicans) are supposed to be for small government and less spending, under the current gop leadership we have a massive federal government which is growing larger every day and the largest budget deficit of any administration in history including even democrats which are FOR spending lots of money

dude, you really are retarded aren't you

a large budget and/or deficit does not indicate large government. "large government" means increased taxes, more rules/regulations/agencies, more government involvement in your daily lives. large government is what the democrats want. which is why they try to pass bills affecting the war. which is also why they try to regulate everything, increase taxes for everything, and want to do things like turn over our health care to the government.
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post Jul 20 2007, 12:29 PM
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Taxes have increased. Property taxes, inventory taxes, building taxes, etc. My mom hasn't been able to afford to give her employees a raise in almost three years because of increasing taxation. Just because common taxes like income and sales tax haven't increased, doesn't mean any of the other thousands of taxes levied upon us haven't spiked.


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more rules/regulations/agencies


....Duh


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more government involvement in your daily lives


Patriot Act, loss of freedoms, search and seizure without warrant, wiretapping without warrant....do you want me to continue? Go read the laundry list of everything Lance has posted in the past few months. As much as I hate to admit it, the Bush administration has taken a much larger role in our daily lives. Not that i really care, since I'm not breaking any laws, but to deny that is very ignorant


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post Jul 20 2007, 12:52 PM
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QUOTE (Oasis @ Jul 20 2007, 01:29 PM) *
Taxes have increased. Property taxes, inventory taxes, building taxes, etc. My mom hasn't been able to afford to give her employees a raise in almost three years because of increasing taxation. Just because common taxes like income and sales tax haven't increased, doesn't mean any of the other thousands of taxes levied upon us haven't spiked.

property and sales taxes are regulated by local government, not federal.

QUOTE (Oasis @ Jul 20 2007, 01:29 PM) *
Patriot Act, loss of freedoms, search and seizure without warrant, wiretapping without warrant....do you want me to continue? Go read the laundry list of everything Lance has posted in the past few months. As much as I hate to admit it, the Bush administration has taken a much larger role in our daily lives. Not that i really care, since I'm not breaking any laws, but to deny that is very ignorant

the wiretapping without a warrant was a total of ~500 people during the investigation of a terrorist incident. not everyone and in our daily lives.
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post Jul 20 2007, 08:23 PM
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QUOTE (cmac @ Jul 20 2007, 08:32 AM) *
who cares. these people aren't affecting you.
and it's not like they're everywhere.


Yes, they ARE effecting me.

Unfortunatley, you aren't required to have a fucking clue to be allowed to vote in this country, and these are the clueless idiots that effectivley harm my way of life because they're too god damned dumb to know any better.

They are not saving the environment, they aren't saving anything.

They need to kill themselves.


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post Jul 23 2007, 08:05 AM
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QUOTE (Dogmeat @ Jul 20 2007, 08:23 PM) *
Yes, they ARE effecting me.

Unfortunatley, you aren't required to have a fucking clue to be allowed to vote in this country, and these are the clueless idiots that effectivley harm my way of life because they're too god damned dumb to know any better.

They are not saving the environment, they aren't saving anything.

They need to kill themselves.

So who is saving the environment?


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post Jul 23 2007, 08:43 AM
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QUOTE (Inferia @ Jul 23 2007, 08:05 AM) *
So who is saving the environment?


Not them.


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post Jul 23 2007, 08:44 AM
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I didn't realize the environment needed saving.
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post Jul 23 2007, 08:55 AM
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QUOTE (impala454 @ Jul 23 2007, 08:44 AM) *
I didn't realize the environment needed saving.


Of course it does, Al Gore or Hillary Clinton wouldn't be able to get any votes from idiots if the environment didn't need saving, therefore it simply MUST be saved! CHAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGEEEEEEEEE!!!!


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post Jul 23 2007, 08:58 AM
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well it just baffles me... they try to make things look so bleak, but do people really look at the insane amount of this planet that is essentially untouched by human hands?

look at this
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post Jul 23 2007, 10:55 AM
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god impala. seriously stop. because the seemingly amount of cityscape lighting correlates to population density perfectly also taking into account uninhabitable land. overpopulation is a problem that every other ecological problem stems from



and are you people aware that the article was originally from a Hampton's newspaperette? no one takes that seriously, people in the hamptons dont take that seriously


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post Jul 23 2007, 11:16 AM
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and are you people aware that the article was originally from a Hampton's newspaperette? no one takes that seriously, people in the hamptons dont take that seriously


and you know this because you live in the hamptons?
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post Jul 23 2007, 11:28 AM
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QUOTE (impala454 @ Jul 23 2007, 09:58 AM) *
well it just baffles me... they try to make things look so bleak, but do people really look at the insane amount of this planet that is essentially untouched by human hands?


and the dark areas generally suck balls.


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post Jul 23 2007, 12:34 PM
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post Jul 23 2007, 01:04 PM
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When I rejoined Techsans, I promised myself I wouldn't start name calling. After reading this thread, I can't help myself.

Dogmeat and Impala, both of you are fucking idiots.

Environmental awareness isn't a fucking political issue. At least, it shouldn't be. I'm about as conservative as they come and even I'm aware our environment has problems. Sure, these "ecosexual" guys are extreme. Who cares? At least their intentions are good. And to insinuate that they're bad people because a few nutjobs vandalize Hummers is about as ignorant as saying all Christians are bad people because a few extremists like the Westboro Baptist Church clan rally for the extermination of gay people (or whatever bullshit they rally for). Impala, I've seen you jump to the defense of Christianity numerous times after someone posts a story about a few psychos blowing up abortion clinics or whatever. So please, try not to be completely two faced by using extreme examples of other groups to discredit their cause. And Dogmeat, just because you don't agree with this group's cause doesn't mean they're "fucking clueless and shouldn't be allowed to vote." Helping the environment is a lot more noble than most of the bullshit causes the Republican party pushes


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