hey lance, re: your sig Options

[jonathan83]

what's the one major city we lost? the only thing i can think of would be New Orleans, and i dont see how that was Bush's fault. Maybe the evacuation and support after the hurricane yes...but the actual hurricane? No. Help me out here.

[GOB]

yes, new orleans

yes it was bush's fault; he blew up the dams because he hates black people

[Seeker]

what's the one major city we lost? the only thing i can think of would be New Orleans, and i dont see how that was Bush's fault. Maybe the evacuation and support after the hurricane yes...but the actual hurricane? No. Help me out here.

You're right, it's New Orleans. In the years prior to the hurricane FEMA and other government agencies studied the levee system around New Orleans and determined that the system was weak and was in dire need of an upgrade. Instead of setting aside the money to upgrade the levee system with Federal dollars Bush redirected the money towards his war and fighting terrorism. There was a specific bill that funded the reconstruction of the levee system but Bush vetoed it or something like that.

Then once a hurricane actually happened Bush and his administration totally bungled the rescue effort and cleanup. FEMA was days late, sent food to wrong locations, stopped food and supplies from being shipped etc.

Years after the hurricane New Orleans still isn't rebuilt because Bush and the neo-cons would rather rebuild a foreign country instead of our own country.

[impala454]

so "bush vetoed it or something like that". perhaps he vetoed it because it shouldn't have been federal tax dollars going to something which should have been a state/local matter.

yeah bush totally screwed up the rescue effort. he personally didn't get down there quick enough. he personally sent orders that fema be late on purpose. he personally made the citizens of new orleans fire guns at the very helicopters and people attempting to rescue them. bush also personally defiled and destroyed countless fema trailers provided to the new orleans refugees, costing more federal tax dollars.

but you're right, we should pull our forces out of war whenever natural disasters happen, i mean, we can't be fighting wars whenever hurricanes happen. especially when it would cost 100x what a city was worth to rebuild. we should tax the crap out of the entire country so we can rebuild a city which is 50 ft below sea level so it can get leveled again by the next hurricane.

[moebary]

the aftermath mess was almost all due to horrible state/local government, they're the reason fema couldn't get anything done

[Seeker]

You're both wrong. The state/local government could not afford to fix the levee system. Through FEMA there is Federal program where if the state qualifies they can receive Federal dollars to fix infrastructure. Louisiana was denied the Federal dollars it should have rightfully received.

To Impala, I'm not saying Bush was personally responsible; however, he appointed the FEMA director and countless other people involved with the Katrina mess. Bush may not have personally tried to sabotage the relief effort but his administration did a pretty good job of fucking things up. Ultimately the blame comes to rest on the person on top, and that is Bush. Secondly, we shouldn't have been in Iraq in the first place. We were lied to about the reasons being there and Saddam had no connection to 911 as you still believe. If we were not in Iraq we would have the resources to rebuild New Orleans. It's all Bush's fault.

[James]

Just agree to disagree...

[GOB]

the only logical solution is to go back to the future and kill barbara bush before she gives birth to george w.

[moebary]

You're both wrong. The state/local government could not afford to fix the levee system. Through FEMA there is Federal program where if the state qualifies they can receive Federal dollars to fix infrastructure. Louisiana was denied the Federal dollars it should have rightfully received.

To Impala, I'm not saying Bush was personally responsible; however, he appointed the FEMA director and countless other people involved with the Katrina mess. Bush may not have personally tried to sabotage the relief effort but his administration did a pretty good job of fucking things up. Ultimately the blame comes to rest on the person on top, and that is Bush. Secondly, we shouldn't have been in Iraq in the first place. We were lied to about the reasons being there and Saddam had no connection to 911 as you still believe. If we were not in Iraq we would have the resources to rebuild New Orleans. It's all Bush's fault.

I wasn't referring to the levees, just the immediate cleanup mess

the levees are a long term project, and if you're still talking about them getting the money before Katrina, then FEMA wouldn't have been involved at all

[pysex]

Dear Lance,

It was well understood that the local New Orleans government and Louisiana state government failed their own people. They were charging tax dollars to help rebuild the levees but magically that money went elsewhere. Where? We'll never know. It wasn't until the city was under water that the local government realized they didn't have a proper crisis contingency plan. Houston has been underwater many many many many times and you don't see people freaking the fuck out.

New Orleans was supposed to have money in the bank to relieve a situation like this one. Most cities on the coast have emergency plans....especially in Florida. FEMA and Bush were called to action after the state failed in all aspects of crisis management. And then they get blamed for not responding quick enough when the state is supposed to handle the initial emergency.

[moebary]

bingo

[Seeker]

It's well understood that New Orleans was denied Federal dollars that would have been spent fixing the levee system. Regardless if the Federal government or the State government was supposed to fix the levee system the Federal government still failed on the relief effort and rebuilding.

Putting a "Dear" in your post and trying to make it letter format doesn't make it magically right, it only makes you look stupid. Try persuading people with facts next time instead of trying to make your post look cool.

[Hartmann]

The state government was given plenty of money to fix the levees but they squandered it...

[James]

Just agree to disagree...

*bump*

[Hartmann]

Houston has been underwater many many many many times and you don't see people freaking the fuck out.

Last week, the week before, and probably next week...