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 Feb 18 2007, 04:34 PM
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 Do they ignore parts of reality? Group: Moderators Posts: 2,935 Joined: 23-February 06 From: South Overton!!! Member No.: 46  |
QUOTE WASHINGTON (CNN) -- After months of heated rhetoric slamming President Bush's Iraq policy, the Senate's top Democrat moved into new terrain by declaring the Iraq war a worse blunder than Vietnam. "This war is a serious situation. It involves the worst foreign policy mistake in the history of this country," Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nevada, told CNN's "Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer." Full article: http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/02/18/reid.iraq/index.html I will agree that the invasion of Iraq is a blunder, but to claim that it is the worse foreign policy in US history is a bit ludicrous. Nothing as of yet has matched the US disaster in Vietnam... -------------------- A psychotic world we live in. The madmen are in power. How long have we known this? Faced this? And--how many of us do know it? Perhaps if you know you are insane then you are not insane. Or you are becoming sane, finally. Waking up. I suppose only a few are aware of all this. Isolated persons here and there. But the broad masses... what do they think? All these hundreds of thousands in this city, here. Do they imagine that they live in a sane world? Or do they guess, glimpse, the truth...?
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Feb 18 2007, 04:38 PM
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 monogamous gays & stem cells Group: Members Posts: 3,789 Joined: 22-February 06 Member No.: 8 |
hmm, people will say anything to make the news.
i bet vietnam vets are very happy about that statement. |
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Feb 18 2007, 04:55 PM
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Do they ignore parts of reality? Group: Moderators Posts: 2,935 Joined: 23-February 06 From: South Overton!!! Member No.: 46 |
for real
-------------------- A psychotic world we live in. The madmen are in power. How long have we known this? Faced this? And--how many of us do know it? Perhaps if you know you are insane then you are not insane. Or you are becoming sane, finally. Waking up. I suppose only a few are aware of all this. Isolated persons here and there. But the broad masses... what do they think? All these hundreds of thousands in this city, here. Do they imagine that they live in a sane world? Or do they guess, glimpse, the truth...?
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Feb 18 2007, 05:24 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 556 Joined: 22-February 06 Member No.: 16 |
Iraq, as big of a fuck-up as it is, is not even in the same league as Vietnam.
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Feb 18 2007, 07:30 PM
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  Group: Agents Posts: 4,026 Joined: 23-February 06 From: lu-bok Member No.: 41 |
its even a different kind of war.
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Feb 19 2007, 08:52 PM
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 Group: Admin Posts: 3,403 Joined: 23-February 06 From: PDX/TXL Member No.: 35 |
Reid makes me laugh... I don't think I've ever heard him say an intelligent thing.
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Feb 19 2007, 11:19 PM
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Corrupting the youth of America Group: Members Posts: 528 Joined: 12-May 06 From: Alice, TX Member No.: 176 |
sooo.....
poor forign policy+ insufficient evidence to go to war + causing instability in an already unstable government is worse than firebombing our own troops + ridiculing and abusing them when they get home + Red Scare reasoning + forcing thousands of hastily trained "recruits" (drafted soldiers) into active duty....... um......yeah....Iraq was more of a half-assed attemp at doing something that could have really helped a lot of people in that area (taking out a dictator, helping to set up an effective democratic governemt, etc.). Vietnam was us sending our soldiers to die for a cause that no one believed in. -------------------- Brandon....you're the reason I'm pro-choice.
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Feb 20 2007, 07:07 AM
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QUOTE (RitalinJunkie @ Feb 19 2007, 11:19 PM)  sooo..... poor forign policy+ insufficient evidence to go to war + causing instability in an already unstable government is worse than firebombing our own troops + ridiculing and abusing them when they get home + Red Scare reasoning + forcing thousands of hastily trained "recruits" (drafted soldiers) into active duty....... um......yeah....Iraq was more of a half-assed attemp at doing something that could have really helped a lot of people in that area (taking out a dictator, helping to set up an effective democratic governemt, etc.). Vietnam was us sending our soldiers to die for a cause that no one believed in. Though I mostly agree with your post (the point you're trying to make), I do have to ask a possibly derailing question: How is putting in our own puppet "democratic" government considered helping the people in that area? From what I understand, a good majority of the people there were perfectly happy with Saddam. --------------------  QUOTE (jonathan83 @ Nov 16 2007, 09:22 PM) |
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Feb 20 2007, 08:53 AM
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QUOTE (Renegadepeon @ Feb 20 2007, 07:07 AM) Though I mostly agree with your post (the point you're trying to make), I do have to ask a possibly derailing question: How is putting in our own puppet "democratic" government considered helping the people in that area? From what I understand, a good majority of the people there were perfectly happy with Saddam. I'd be perfectly happy under Saddam as well, right up until the point where he found out that my mother's sister's great granddad said that he was an idiot back in 1988 and had the entire family killed. 
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Feb 20 2007, 09:25 AM
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 From Atlantis to Interzone Group: Global Moderators Posts: 2,512 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Somewhere in space and time Member No.: 65 |
Yeah. Everyone liked Saddam because everyone who opposed him was killed.
-------------------- QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Oct 13 2006, 09:51 PM) Holy shit, pebkac, you're awesome! "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Theodor Seuss Geisel (AKA Dr. Seuss) "An idea that is not dangerous is unworthy of being called an idea at all." - Oscar Wilde |
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Feb 20 2007, 10:32 AM
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Do they ignore parts of reality? Group: Moderators Posts: 2,935 Joined: 23-February 06 From: South Overton!!! Member No.: 46 |
QUOTE (Renegadepeon @ Feb 20 2007, 07:07 AM) Though I mostly agree with your post (the point you're trying to make), I do have to ask a possibly derailing question: How is putting in our own puppet "democratic" government considered helping the people in that area? From what I understand, a good majority of the people there were perfectly happy with Saddam. Yeah, the Russian people also loved Stalin  I think most Iraqis would prefer Saddam to an American occupation/war but they hardly loved him -------------------- A psychotic world we live in. The madmen are in power. How long have we known this? Faced this? And--how many of us do know it? Perhaps if you know you are insane then you are not insane. Or you are becoming sane, finally. Waking up. I suppose only a few are aware of all this. Isolated persons here and there. But the broad masses... what do they think? All these hundreds of thousands in this city, here. Do they imagine that they live in a sane world? Or do they guess, glimpse, the truth...?
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Feb 20 2007, 11:39 AM
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 Oh baby bring me down Group: Agents Posts: 4,115 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Way out yonder Member No.: 68 |
I think there was a scene in Bananas, the woody allen movie, where he was a dictator and shot the opposition to get the 100% approval rating.
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Feb 20 2007, 08:10 PM
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Do they ignore parts of reality? Group: Moderators Posts: 2,935 Joined: 23-February 06 From: South Overton!!! Member No.: 46 |
Stalin just purged all the party members who opposed him or were seen as a threat...
-------------------- A psychotic world we live in. The madmen are in power. How long have we known this? Faced this? And--how many of us do know it? Perhaps if you know you are insane then you are not insane. Or you are becoming sane, finally. Waking up. I suppose only a few are aware of all this. Isolated persons here and there. But the broad masses... what do they think? All these hundreds of thousands in this city, here. Do they imagine that they live in a sane world? Or do they guess, glimpse, the truth...?
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Feb 20 2007, 08:22 PM
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I think the majority of iraqis would prefer the situation under Saddam than the current one. I know I would.
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Feb 21 2007, 12:35 PM
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Do they ignore parts of reality? Group: Moderators Posts: 2,935 Joined: 23-February 06 From: South Overton!!! Member No.: 46 |
Not the Shiites or Kurds
I mean civil strife sucks, but I am sure they are ready to take over the country This post has been edited by Dr. Gonzo: Feb 21 2007, 12:35 PM -------------------- A psychotic world we live in. The madmen are in power. How long have we known this? Faced this? And--how many of us do know it? Perhaps if you know you are insane then you are not insane. Or you are becoming sane, finally. Waking up. I suppose only a few are aware of all this. Isolated persons here and there. But the broad masses... what do they think? All these hundreds of thousands in this city, here. Do they imagine that they live in a sane world? Or do they guess, glimpse, the truth...?
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