 No surprise, Bush vetoes stem cell bill |
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| No surprise, Bush vetoes stem cell bill |
 Jul 19 2006, 02:05 PM
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 Do they ignore parts of reality? Group: Moderators Posts: 2,935 Joined: 23-February 06 From: South Overton!!! Member No.: 46  |
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Jul 19 2006, 02:13 PM
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 Let's Bother Snape!!! Group: Members Posts: 1,598 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Albuquerque, NM Member No.: 10 |
Yay for Bush using his very first Veto.
We're so proud of him. --------------------  |
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Jul 19 2006, 02:38 PM
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 Oh baby bring me down  Group: Agents Posts: 4,115 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Way out yonder Member No.: 68 |
stem cells are the hottest issue in biology that have not produced much and need lots of research to produce good results. Using cytokines right now to regulate cellular differentiation is not well developed and is a hit or miss right now. In my view:
Stem Cell research is more science fiction right now, and any therapudic effect would most likely come from adult stem cells or from the placenta for that patient otherwise it would be genetically different and may result in cellular rejection depending on how different the carbohydrate chains on the cellar wall are than what the body's immune system is used to. I belive that miRNA research will result in quicker gene therapy than stem cells, but much more limited in the scope. In 2005 scientist made adult stem cells from the nose that could differentiate into other cell types. I belive that this is a moral issue being held as science and masses are ignorant of it. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7283645/ -------------------- Southern Rock, beer and bears!
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Jul 19 2006, 02:51 PM
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CHEE CHEE Group: Members Posts: 5,026 Joined: 23-February 06 From: trapped in the hoezone layer Member No.: 39 |
i remember hearing/reading something about trying to preserve each individuls stem cells from their own plecenta in a big huge plecenta cell bank for 'in case shit happens'
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Jul 19 2006, 02:53 PM
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 Your Private Eye Group: Members Posts: 252 Joined: 23-February 06 Member No.: 60 |
Damn it...
And I don't think it will be able to go back and pass with 2/3 in both both houses. Stuff like this is why I have no idea what political affiliation I am. |
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Jul 19 2006, 03:13 PM
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 New son Donovan Charles Mummert born July 17, 2008 Group: Members Posts: 8,635 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Port Wentworth, GA Member No.: 15 |
just because it doesnt get federal funding doesnt mean it wont get funding at all. If you care so much about it, donate to the cause...
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Jul 19 2006, 05:47 PM
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 monogamous gays & stem cells Group: Members Posts: 3,789 Joined: 22-February 06 Member No.: 8 |
QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Jul 19 2006, 03:51 PM) i remember hearing/reading something about trying to preserve each individuls stem cells from their own plecenta in a big huge plecenta cell bank for 'in case shit happens' well then what is the father going to eat in celebration of his young being born? |
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Jul 19 2006, 11:44 PM
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 Group: Moderators Posts: 2,499 Joined: 23-February 06 From: El Paso Texas Member No.: 32 |
QUOTE (Jessica @ Jul 19 2006, 03:13 PM) just because it doesnt get federal funding doesnt mean it wont get funding at all. If you care so much about it, donate to the cause... word this is why i hate the gov't funding so many fucking programs. cause when shit hits the fan and they gotta tighten their assholes and not fund so many programs, all of a sudden the gov't doesn't care about whatever group x's agenda is. -------------------- |
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Jul 20 2006, 10:43 AM
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Group: Admin Posts: 6,906 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Austin Member No.: 9 |
QUOTE (woody @ Jul 19 2006, 11:44 PM) word this is why i hate the gov't funding so many fucking programs. cause when shit hits the fan and they gotta tighten their assholes and not fund so many programs, all of a sudden the gov't doesn't care about whatever group x's agenda is. Well I would agree... in general, I think the gov't funds too much shit. But I highly doubt that was the incentive here: "This bill would support the taking of innocent human life in the hope of finding medical benefits for others," Bush said Wednesday afternoon. "It crosses a moral boundary that our decent society needs to respect. So I vetoed it." -------------------- |
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Jul 20 2006, 05:07 PM
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New son Donovan Charles Mummert born July 17, 2008 Group: Members Posts: 8,635 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Port Wentworth, GA Member No.: 15 |
QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Jul 20 2006, 11:43 AM) Well I would agree... in general, I think the gov't funds too much shit. But I highly doubt that was the incentive here: "This bill would support the taking of innocent human life in the hope of finding medical benefits for others," Bush said Wednesday afternoon. "It crosses a moral boundary that our decent society needs to respect. So I vetoed it." doesnt matter. there is enough people who would generously give to this cause. additionally, i wouldnt want my tax dollars going to a cause I did not support...not saying i do, not saying that I dont For all those anarchist hippie/ liberal fags out there that want to say "well, i dont support my tax dollars going to military funding" ....thats a little different. National security is an essential part of US taxation....while stem cell research is not. |
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Jul 20 2006, 05:31 PM
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Let's Bother Snape!!! Group: Members Posts: 1,598 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Albuquerque, NM Member No.: 10 |
Ok, how about this.
I don't want my tax dollars going to the War in Iraq? -------------------- |
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Jul 20 2006, 05:41 PM
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New son Donovan Charles Mummert born July 17, 2008 Group: Members Posts: 8,635 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Port Wentworth, GA Member No.: 15 |
QUOTE (Jim @ Jul 20 2006, 06:31 PM) Ok, how about this. I don't want my tax dollars going to the War in Iraq? well, we cant all win. the point of all this was not for you to think up objections...the point is that we dont need more things like that |
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Jul 20 2006, 05:59 PM
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Let's Bother Snape!!! Group: Members Posts: 1,598 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Albuquerque, NM Member No.: 10 |
You're right, we don't need it.
And I'm not that mad about it anyway (I'm mad that he took around 6 years to veto a bill that really isn't that important). However, if he approves stupid spending in the future, that's what'll get a lot of people angry. -------------------- |
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Jul 20 2006, 09:27 PM
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 Group: Agents Posts: 4,026 Joined: 23-February 06 From: lu-bok Member No.: 41 |
i approve defence and stem cell research.
harvest from clinics. deconstruct and reconstruct for science. -------------------- 32-bit whore
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Jul 20 2006, 11:08 PM
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Group: Admin Posts: 6,906 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Austin Member No.: 9 |
I don't think tax dollars should be spent on a lot of things, but I do agree that military spending is one appropriate use for taxes. I do think that perhaps stem cell research isn't something that should be federally funded (though I fully support such research philosophically), but I disagree with Bush's given reason(s) for vetoing the bill.
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