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 Jan 30 2008, 02:59 PM
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QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Jan 30 2008, 02:54 PM)  Well we don't really have a general overpopulation problem.. exactly 
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Jan 30 2008, 05:38 PM
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QUOTE (FORSAKENR320 @ Jan 30 2008, 02:15 PM) IF EVERYBODY HAD AN ASSOSIATES DEGREE... then mcdonalds would require one for minimum wage.... you'd end up making college abou as importan as a high school diploma Not true, for the most part those jobs are already manned by kids STUDYING to get bachelors. Janitors and Security gaurds on the other hand... -------------------- |
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Jan 30 2008, 06:07 PM
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CHEE CHEE Group: Members Posts: 5,026 Joined: 23-February 06 From: trapped in the hoezone layer Member No.: 39 |
QUOTE (impala454 @ Jan 29 2008, 02:46 PM) I didn't say "fail the education system". I said you're never gonna un-ghetto the ghetto. Do you think if you throw billions to some bottom barrel schools it's going to make the students want to learn? Is it going to improve their neighborhoods and give these kids some kind of incentive to better themselves and look forward to college? yes its actually been shown to do that and doesnt cost billions -------------------- Little monkeys making money
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Jan 30 2008, 06:23 PM
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 Let's Bother Snape!!! Group: Members Posts: 1,598 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Albuquerque, NM Member No.: 10 |
QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Jan 30 2008, 06:07 PM) yes its actually been shown to do that and doesnt cost billions Proof is in the pudding. --------------------  |
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Jan 30 2008, 06:31 PM
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QUOTE (Jim @ Jan 30 2008, 06:23 PM) Proof is in the pudding. cathryn has some good pudding, i have heard.... --------------------  QUOTE (Jessica @ May 7 2007, 01:15 PM) but yeehaw dammit. YEEHAW QUOTE (Dogmeat @ Jun 26 2008, 07:51 PM) ok once upon a time I jacked myself off retarded. Licking anuses, one kindergarten class at a time!! |
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Jan 31 2008, 01:10 AM
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Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Jan 30 2008, 06:07 PM) yes its actually been shown to do that and doesnt cost billions Yeah like the Robin Hood act worked so well too right? Money does not buy ambition. |
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Jan 31 2008, 04:39 AM
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Group: Members Posts: 531 Joined: 26-June 06 From: San Marcos and San Antonio Member No.: 221 |
have you even educated yourself on nclb? it is just like robin hood act, but with sprinkles.
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Jan 31 2008, 07:42 AM
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Group: Members Posts: 1,566 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 66 |
QUOTE (Melanie @ Jan 31 2008, 04:39 AM) have you even educated yourself on nclb? it is just like robin hood act, but with sprinkles. I like sprinkles....chocolate ones, especially |
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Jan 31 2008, 09:22 AM
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 From Atlantis to Interzone Group: Global Moderators Posts: 2,512 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Somewhere in space and time Member No.: 65 |
QUOTE (impala454 @ Jan 31 2008, 01:10 AM) Yeah like the Robin Hood act worked so well too right? Money does not buy ambition. Say it with me... "self fulfilling prophecy." Which do you think is going to get better teachers... a school in a rich area that pays well or a school in a poor area that pays terribly? The underpaid and overworked teachers that work in these schools have the mentality that the kids are nothing and can't succeed at anything. Better paid and better qualified teachers are less likely to have this mentality. So yes, when well spent, money can buy ambition in terms of education. -------------------- QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Oct 13 2006, 09:51 PM) Holy shit, pebkac, you're awesome! "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Theodor Seuss Geisel (AKA Dr. Seuss) "An idea that is not dangerous is unworthy of being called an idea at all." - Oscar Wilde |
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Jan 31 2008, 09:29 AM
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QUOTE (pebkac @ Jan 31 2008, 09:22 AM) So yes, when well spent, money can buy ambition in terms of education. I don't think that's ambition though. I think it's "not sucking at your job because you're bored".
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Jan 31 2008, 10:23 AM
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QUOTE (pebkac @ Jan 31 2008, 09:22 AM) So yes, when well spent, money can buy ambition in terms of education. Key phrase here. -------------------- |
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Jan 31 2008, 10:41 AM
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Group: Members Posts: 531 Joined: 26-June 06 From: San Marcos and San Antonio Member No.: 221 |
counselors and teachers in the lower income school districts tell students to go get jobs rather than try for higher education.
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Jan 31 2008, 10:47 AM
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Look, yes, more money needs to be spent in poorer areas to help boost the education there but it doesn't just lie on the government to solve people's problems.
I went to a middle class high school and there were plenty of kids who went into the military, got jobs, or became parents immediately after graduating. There's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with being blue collar. Not having a college education does not make you stupid. Neither of my parents have 4 year degrees, in fact, my dad was a drop out. Now he makes six figures doing a job he enjoys. Wanna know how he got there? He worked his ass off and wasn't handed stuff because people felt sorry for him. Handouts aren't the answer. There is a lot to be said for a loving home that encourages their children. Should a child who has a crackwhore mom be burdened by her decisions, no, but they also shouldn't be coddled into thinking they deserve something. -------------------- "There is a level of cowardice lower than that of the conformist: that of the fashionable non-conformist." |
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Jan 31 2008, 11:18 AM
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From Atlantis to Interzone Group: Global Moderators Posts: 2,512 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Somewhere in space and time Member No.: 65 |
QUOTE (Hartmann @ Jan 31 2008, 10:47 AM) Handouts aren't the answer. There is a lot to be said for a loving home that encourages their children. Should a child who has a crackwhore mom be burdened by her decisions, no, but they also shouldn't be coddled into thinking they deserve something. Of course. Because if they were coddled into thinking they deserve something, then they would be in a rich school. -------------------- QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Oct 13 2006, 09:51 PM) Holy shit, pebkac, you're awesome! "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Theodor Seuss Geisel (AKA Dr. Seuss) "An idea that is not dangerous is unworthy of being called an idea at all." - Oscar Wilde |
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Jan 31 2008, 11:57 AM
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Group: Admin Posts: 3,403 Joined: 23-February 06 From: PDX/TXL Member No.: 35 |
QUOTE (pebkac @ Jan 31 2008, 11:18 AM) Of course. Because if they were coddled into thinking they deserve something, then they would be in a rich school. While I agree that rich kids have the same problem, the issue with the lower and middle classes thinking they deserve something is that they expect the government to give it to them. The government isn't around to provide everything for us, it's around to provide the security for us to provide for ourselves. -------------------- "There is a level of cowardice lower than that of the conformist: that of the fashionable non-conformist." |
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