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 Jan 25 2008, 10:17 AM
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-------------------- QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Oct 13 2006, 09:51 PM)  Holy shit, pebkac, you're awesome! "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Theodor Seuss Geisel (AKA Dr. Seuss) "An idea that is not dangerous is unworthy of being called an idea at all." - Oscar Wilde |
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Jan 25 2008, 10:37 AM
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ugh...
Isn't there some news around AT&T now monitoring traffic and such? -------------------- "There is a level of cowardice lower than that of the conformist: that of the fashionable non-conformist." |
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Jan 25 2008, 10:43 AM
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I'm not sure I understand... So they voted down immunity when participating in government mandated surveillance via a lopsided vote. But then they strongly support a similiar bill:
QUOTE Instead, the Senate kept alive a competing proposal from the Senate intelligence committee that would offer legal protections to the companies and that has strong support from the White House. So immunity vs "legal protections". Anyone want to explain this to me? |
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Jan 25 2008, 10:46 AM
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From Atlantis to Interzone Group: Global Moderators Posts: 2,512 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Somewhere in space and time Member No.: 65 |
QUOTE (impala454 @ Jan 25 2008, 10:43 AM) I'm not sure I understand... So they voted down immunity when participating in government mandated surveillance via a lopsided vote. But then they strongly support a similiar bill: So immunity vs "legal protections". Anyone want to explain this to me? No, they voted down a bill that didn't include immunity. -------------------- QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Oct 13 2006, 09:51 PM) Holy shit, pebkac, you're awesome! "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Theodor Seuss Geisel (AKA Dr. Seuss) "An idea that is not dangerous is unworthy of being called an idea at all." - Oscar Wilde |
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Jan 25 2008, 11:22 AM
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Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
Ahhhh ok. good. It would be pretty shitty if the govt ordered a private company to help them, and then have that company be legally liable for what happens.
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Jan 25 2008, 11:30 AM
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QUOTE (impala454 @ Jan 25 2008, 11:22 AM) Ahhhh ok. good. It would be pretty shitty if the govt ordered a private company to help them, and then have that company be legally liable for what happens. I'm conflicted. I agree with what you're saying in principle, but this unfortunately helps legitimize the warrantless wiretap program, which I personally think is unconstitutional. 
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Jan 25 2008, 11:37 AM
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QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Jan 25 2008, 11:30 AM) I'm conflicted. I agree with what you're saying in principle, but this unfortunately helps legitimize the warrantless wiretap program, which I personally think is unconstitutional. the problem arises with the "government ORDERED a private company to help them" part. --------------------  |
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Jan 25 2008, 11:56 AM
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Group: Admin Posts: 6,906 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Austin Member No.: 9 |
Yeah, I know. The private company shouldn't get in trouble for records they were ordered to give up, but the government shouldn't be asking for those records in the first place (imho). Stupid government.
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Jan 25 2008, 12:01 PM
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Group: Admin Posts: 3,403 Joined: 23-February 06 From: PDX/TXL Member No.: 35 |
All the more reason to move towards being a republic...
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Jan 25 2008, 12:05 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 1,566 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 66 |
PALPATINE!!!! PALPATINE!!!!!!!
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Jan 25 2008, 01:21 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
he will give up his power when this crisis is over though
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Jan 25 2008, 01:46 PM
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From Atlantis to Interzone Group: Global Moderators Posts: 2,512 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Somewhere in space and time Member No.: 65 |
QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Jan 25 2008, 11:56 AM) Yeah, I know. The private company shouldn't get in trouble for records they were ordered to give up, but the government shouldn't be asking for those records in the first place (imho). Stupid government. That's the thing though. If there wasn't a warrant or other type of court order, the government didn't order them to place the wiretaps. They did so willingly. -------------------- QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Oct 13 2006, 09:51 PM) Holy shit, pebkac, you're awesome! "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Theodor Seuss Geisel (AKA Dr. Seuss) "An idea that is not dangerous is unworthy of being called an idea at all." - Oscar Wilde |
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Jan 25 2008, 01:54 PM
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Group: Admin Posts: 6,906 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Austin Member No.: 9 |
QUOTE (pebkac @ Jan 25 2008, 01:46 PM) That's the thing though. If there wasn't a warrant or other type of court order, the government didn't order them to place the wiretaps. They did so willingly. *shrugs* I don't know all the details. -------------------- |
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Jan 25 2008, 04:00 PM
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QUOTE (impala454 @ Jan 25 2008, 01:21 PM) he will give up his power when this crisis is over though it's amazing ho long one can be "in a crisis" how long has our dumb national alert system been sitting at "code orange" --------------------  QUOTE (Jessica @ May 7 2007, 01:15 PM) but yeehaw dammit. YEEHAW QUOTE (Dogmeat @ Jun 26 2008, 07:51 PM) ok once upon a time I jacked myself off retarded. Licking anuses, one kindergarten class at a time!! |
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Jan 25 2008, 04:05 PM
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From Atlantis to Interzone Group: Global Moderators Posts: 2,512 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Somewhere in space and time Member No.: 65 |
QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Jan 25 2008, 01:54 PM) *shrugs* I don't know all the details. Neither do I. It'd be great if a court of law could figure all those details out. -------------------- QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Oct 13 2006, 09:51 PM) Holy shit, pebkac, you're awesome! "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Theodor Seuss Geisel (AKA Dr. Seuss) "An idea that is not dangerous is unworthy of being called an idea at all." - Oscar Wilde |
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