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post Dec 13 2007, 06:54 PM
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post Dec 13 2007, 09:50 PM
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A few really good friends of mine are fluent in Chinese and English. I think Asians typically learn the language more than Mexicans do.


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post Dec 13 2007, 10:14 PM
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it probably has something to do with the relative distance from 'home'


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post Dec 13 2007, 10:39 PM
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I have no problems requiring English, so long as it's a consistent measuring system (meaning everyone is measured by the same standards.)

If it's imperative that I know certain safety procedures, give me a test so I can prove myself. If it's imperative that I know how to operate a certain machinery piece, observe me using it and make sure I perform specific tasks. If it's imperative that I speak a certain language, give me a test on it and make sure I answer certain questions correctly.

It's no different than requiring that someone type X words per minute, or have proficiency in certain computer software, or so many years in a certain type of position. I've been given typing tests to prove my efficiency; I've had to create something in a certain program as part of an interview; I've had my references checked up on. I don't consider any of that to be discriminatory or outside the boundaries of what employers should be able to do.

Some jobs require certain job skills/assets, and it's perfectly acceptable to ensure that your candidates really do possess those skills before offering them a position.


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post Dec 13 2007, 10:49 PM
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QUOTE (kcroxyoursox @ Dec 13 2007, 10:39 PM) *
I have no problems requiring English, so long as it's a consistent measuring system (meaning everyone is measured by the same standards.)

If it's imperative that I know certain safety procedures, give me a test so I can prove myself. If it's imperative that I know how to operate a certain machinery piece, observe me using it and make sure I perform specific tasks. If it's imperative that I speak a certain language, give me a test on it and make sure I answer certain questions correctly.

It's no different than requiring that someone type X words per minute, or have proficiency in certain computer software, or so many years in a certain type of position. I've been given typing tests to prove my efficiency; I've had to create something in a certain program as part of an interview; I've had my references checked up on. I don't consider any of that to be discriminatory or outside the boundaries of what employers should be able to do.

Some jobs require certain job skills/assets, and it's perfectly acceptable to ensure that your candidates really do possess those skills before offering them a position.

Test to see if someone is proficient in the use of the English Language.

Perform the interview in English.


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post Dec 14 2007, 12:40 PM
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Just an FYI, employers CAN make an english-only policy as it stands as long as there's a valid business reason for it. According to the article:

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The EEOC insists it is enforcing the current law as written and that regulations are specific. Employers can require English only, but such a policy cannot be in response to any one group, such as Spanish speakers, and it must be for a specific, business-related reason.


Which seems reasonable enough to me.


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post Dec 14 2007, 03:17 PM
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QUOTE (pebkac @ Dec 14 2007, 12:40 PM) *
Just an FYI, employers CAN make an english-only policy as it stands as long as there's a valid business reason for it. According to the article:
Which seems reasonable enough to me.


You mean if like these guys are constructing someone's house and the owner shows up who speaks strictly english and tries to tell the guys to stop leaving their tacos inside the house walls and they go

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NO SPEAKIE ENGLISH

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Yeah. Make those fuckers speak english plz. This ain't Mexico.


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post Dec 14 2007, 03:33 PM
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post Dec 14 2007, 03:41 PM
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QUOTE (pysex @ Dec 14 2007, 03:17 PM) *
You mean if like these guys are constructing someone's house and the owner shows up who speaks strictly english and tries to tell the guys to stop leaving their tacos inside the house walls and they go

QUE

NO SPEAKIE ENGLISH

NO COMPRENDO SENOR

Yeah. Make those fuckers speak english plz. This ain't Mexico.


Which would be a valid business reason to have an english-only policy.


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post Dec 14 2007, 03:43 PM
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i cant get over that spanish people, or maybe its just mexicans, answer the phone with "bueno"

just doesnt make sense to me! unless it just came about as a shortened greeting from buenas tardes or some jazz like that


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post Dec 14 2007, 03:49 PM
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QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Dec 14 2007, 03:43 PM) *
i cant get over that spanish people, or maybe its just mexicans, answer the phone with "bueno"

just doesnt make sense to me! unless it just came about as a shortened greeting from buenas tardes or some jazz like that
hmm never thought about it being a shortened thing. youre probably right. Just like we say "whats up"
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post Dec 14 2007, 09:36 PM
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QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Dec 14 2007, 03:43 PM) *
i cant get over that spanish people, or maybe its just mexicans, answer the phone with "bueno"

just doesnt make sense to me! unless it just came about as a shortened greeting from buenas tardes or some jazz like that

actually i think english is the only language that says "hello" when we answer the phone, or at least one of the very few. when you think about it, it seems kinda weird that we'd say hello when we answer the phone.

typically only mexicans say bueno. it's not short for buenas tardes or anything like that, it just good/well/alright. in spain it's more common to say dígame or just diga, which is different altogether. i think i even heard that germans answer the phone with their last name. i also know that in brazil they say "halo" which isn't a word at all in their language, they just use it for answering the phone. same for korean. they say yoboseyo, when in fact it's not a word you'd use in any other context except for answering the phone.


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post Dec 14 2007, 09:38 PM
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QUOTE (jonathan83 @ Dec 14 2007, 09:36 PM) *
actually i think english is the only language that says "hello" when we answer the phone, or at least one of the very few. when you think about it, it seems kinda weird that we'd say hello when we answer the phone.

typically only mexicans say bueno. it's not short for buenas tardes or anything like that, it just good/well/alright. in spain it's more common to say dígame or just diga, which is different altogether. i think i even heard that germans answer the phone with their last name. i also know that in brazil they say "halo" which isn't a word at all in their language, they just use it for answering the phone. same for korean. they say yoboseyo, when in fact it's not a word you'd use in any other context except for answering the phone.

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post Dec 15 2007, 12:11 AM
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QUOTE (jonathan83 @ Dec 14 2007, 09:36 PM) *
actually i think english is the only language that says "hello" when we answer the phone, or at least one of the very few. when you think about it, it seems kinda weird that we'd say hello when we answer the phone.

typically only mexicans say bueno. it's not short for buenas tardes or anything like that, it just good/well/alright. in spain it's more common to say dígame or just diga, which is different altogether. i think i even heard that germans answer the phone with their last name. i also know that in brazil they say "halo" which isn't a word at all in their language, they just use it for answering the phone. same for korean. they say yoboseyo, when in fact it's not a word you'd use in any other context except for answering the phone.

in german ive heard ya "yes" annnnnnnnnnd i think thats it actually

i remember moshi moshi if thats the proper spelling! it sounds a lot better coming from an asian person


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post Dec 15 2007, 12:34 AM
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QUOTE (jonathan83 @ Dec 14 2007, 09:36 PM) *
actually i think english is the only language that says "hello" when we answer the phone, or at least one of the very few. when you think about it, it seems kinda weird that we'd say hello when we answer the phone.

typically only mexicans say bueno. it's not short for buenas tardes or anything like that, it just good/well/alright. in spain it's more common to say dígame or just diga, which is different altogether. i think i even heard that germans answer the phone with their last name. i also know that in brazil they say "halo" which isn't a word at all in their language, they just use it for answering the phone. same for korean. they say yoboseyo, when in fact it's not a word you'd use in any other context except for answering the phone.
yeah, i have heard people say "digame" or "talk to me"

I started answering this phone with "this is Jessica" because of old work habits.
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