Employer English-only bill Options

[Inferia]

because we already have one official language??

[Mommy]

because we already have one official language??

[FORSAKENR320]

its pretty sad that there is a lawsuit pending against a charitable organization like the Salvation Army.

I think English should be required.

to be honest, these people that work at salvation army usually can't be hired anywhere else, they are either dirty, nasty, belligerant, have racks of felonies, theft, or are completely stupid. i've had to work with these people extremely closely, and it doesn't surprise me at all that lawsuit has been filed.

[Mommy]

to be honest, these people that work at salvation army usually can't be hired anywhere else, they are either dirty, nasty, belligerant, have racks of felonies, theft, or are completely stupid. i've had to work with these people extremely closely, and it doesn't surprise me at all that lawsuit has been filed.

that doesn't make any sense for you to say this. The lawsuit was filed against the organization, not because of the type of people that work there or have worked there. It seems as though maybe the SA took steps to employ better people, and that is why they are being sued. What does them employing "dirty" people have to do with this lawsuit? I'm just really lost on the relevancy of your statement to this thread.

And I have volunteered at the Salvation Army in El Paso before. They may be dirty, but a lot of them are really nice people.

[Jim]

It isn't discrimination at all.

But it wasn't discrimination when the Round Rock Independent School District wrote 90 something truancy tickets when a bunch of spics walked out in the middle of class a year or two ago in protest of tougher border laws. They were given tickets because they skipped school.

But of course, fucking MALDEF decided to fight the tickets in court. Not all of them at once, mind you. They were trying to take every single defendant to trial separately. The tickets were finally dismissed and "justice" declared because fucking MALDEF already wasted $90k+ of our tax dollars because of their non profit exemption and it would have endlessly tied up the courts and jurors for months on end.

Trust me, those dickweeds will file a lawsuit for anything they see as unfair in their pea brained minds. I'm sure the NAACP would do the same thing if some black guy could only talk in Ebonics

Paging Seth to this thread.

What does the FRCP say about this?

[FORSAKENR320]

that doesn't make any sense for you to say this. The lawsuit was filed against the organization, not because of the type of people that work there or have worked there. It seems as though maybe the SA took steps to employ better people, and that is why they are being sued. What does them employing "dirty" people have to do with this lawsuit? I'm just really lost on the relevancy of your statement to this thread.

And I have volunteered at the Salvation Army in El Paso before. They may be dirty, but a lot of them are really nice people.

because someone had to complain to bring it to their attention.

[Oasis]

Other countries who have two official languages (such as Canada, assuming Canada is bilingual, someone look that up for me) have them for a reason - there are an equal ratio of important people in the country who speak both English and French.

The keyword is important. Politicians. Entrepreneurs. Business owners. CEO's. Managers. When an equal percentage of commerce, policy making, etc is conducted in two languages, you're at a competitive disadvantage if you've only learned only one. If you're a French business owner and 50% of your distributors are English speaking companies, you're screwed. If you're an English speaking candidate trying to campaign in a province like Quebec who mainly speaks French, you ain't getting many votes


In America, 99% of the movers and shakers speak English.

State-to-state commerce is conducted in English.

All important politicians in this country speak English (Sorry, Texas border towns near Juarez, your mayors might speak Spanish along with 95% of your citizens, but you aren't considered important by any means).

Most workers who only speak Spanish are employed by English speaking business owners. They might have to know enough Spanish to tell the workers where to lay sod, but that isn't what keeps the business afloat. The English speaking business owners are reordering supplies or getting new job contracts with people who speak Spanish.

Take it from anyone who has worked for any large company doing the lowest level grunt job (most of you at one point or another, I assume) - cashier at HEB, stocker at Walmart, tire changer at Discount Tire, lawn mower at a landscaping business, burger flipper at Burger king, custodian at an elementary, whatever. That's what Spanish speaking folks mainly do. They might perform the actual job that makes the company money, but they're expendable. They're just disposable workers who can be replaced relatively easily at any time. There's a reason I can walk into Walmart at any time, apply for a job as a cashier, sit down for a 15 minute interview, and get hired 24 hours later. And there's a reason I walk into Walmart's regional headquarters and apply for a district manager position and it takes three follow up interviews, numerous aptitude screenings and other tests, and have to wait three weeks to hear back. It's a much more important job.

The most important things in this country are all done in English. How about we let Spanish speaking folks accomplish something that greatly benefits our country before we go appointing another official language

[Jim]

Other countries who have two official languages (such as Canada, assuming Canada is bilingual, someone look that up for me) have them for a reason - there are an equal ratio of important people in the country who speak both English and French.

The keyword is important. Politicians. Entrepreneurs. Business owners. CEO's. Managers. When an equal percentage of commerce, policy making, etc is conducted in two languages, you're at a competitive disadvantage if you've only learned only one. If you're a French business owner and 50% of your distributors are English speaking companies, you're screwed. If you're an English speaking candidate trying to campaign in a province like Quebec who mainly speaks French, you ain't getting many votes
In America, 99% of the movers and shakers speak English.

State-to-state commerce is conducted in English.

All important politicians in this country speak English (Sorry, Texas border towns near Juarez, your mayors might speak Spanish along with 95% of your citizens, but you aren't considered important by any means).

Most workers who only speak Spanish are employed by English speaking business owners. They might have to know enough Spanish to tell the workers where to lay sod, but that isn't what keeps the business afloat. The English speaking business owners are reordering supplies or getting new job contracts with people who speak Spanish.

Take it from anyone who has worked for any large company doing the lowest level grunt job (most of you at one point or another, I assume) - cashier at HEB, stocker at Walmart, tire changer at Discount Tire, lawn mower at a landscaping business, burger flipper at Burger king, custodian at an elementary, whatever. That's what Spanish speaking folks mainly do. They might perform the actual job that makes the company money, but they're expendable. They're just disposable workers who can be replaced relatively easily at any time. There's a reason I can walk into Walmart at any time, apply for a job as a cashier, sit down for a 15 minute interview, and get hired 24 hours later. And there's a reason I walk into Walmart's regional headquarters and apply for a district manager position and it takes three follow up interviews, numerous aptitude screenings and other tests, and have to wait three weeks to hear back. It's a much more important job.

The most important things in this country are all done in English. How about we let Spanish speaking folks accomplish something that greatly benefits our country before we go appointing another official language

They gave us the Taco. Isn't that enough?

[jonathan83]

How about we let Spanish speaking folks accomplish something that greatly benefits our country

hey, we NEED those strawberries!

[Testm0nkey]

i dont think canada is equal number french and english speaking?

god you people are racist!


edit: whats wrong with declaring official languages? spanish and english. if its "official" then dumb ass stuff like this, imo, couldnt happen.
there will just be more and more hispanic people in america

[Mommy]

I think a lot of us need to realize that there is a difference between a Spanish-speaking person (can come from many regions of the world) and a border jumping Mexican who is lazy. Not to generalize border jumping Mexicans, but they come from a culture that is very different from ours. I think it's kinda crude to associate all Spanish-speakers as expendable. Actually, I think it is racist. I will be the first to say that I don't get along with very many Mexicans, but I also know that there are a lot out there who are hardworking, WANT TO MOVE UP IN LIFE (thats the important one), and have a concern for society. People from Spain are very different than people from Mexico, etc.

[Oasis]

god you people are racist!

Oh really?

[Mommy]

Yeah, I would have to say your post was pretty racist, heh

[Spectatrix]

i dont think canada is equal number french and english speaking?

It's not, but there are a lot more French speakers there than Spanish speakers here in the US.

(From Wiki)

English and French are the mother tongues of 59.7% and 23.2% of the population respectively,[78] and the languages most spoken at home by 68.3% and 22.3% of the population respectively.[79] 98.5% of Canadians speak English or French (English only: 67.5%, French only: 13.3%, both: 17.7%).[80] English and French Official Language Communities, defined by First Official Language Spoken, constitute 73.0% and 23.6% of the population.

Although the United States has no official language at the federal level, English is the national language.

In 2003, about 215 million, or 82% of the population aged five years and older, spoke only English at home. Spanish, spoken by over 10% of the population at home, is the second most common language and the most widely taught foreign language.[140][141] Immigrants seeking naturalization must know English. Some Americans advocate making English the country's official language, as it is in at least twenty-eight states.

This post has been edited by Spectatrix: Dec 13 2007, 03:36 PM

[Mommy]

Im moving to England if we declare two official languages....Im serious on that one.