"Environmentalism" is a Relegion Options

[Psykopath]

take the lawyers and politicians out of the process as well as the hippies and rednecks who dont give a fuck, and we might get something done.

oh well, shit...

Putting that way: I agree 100%.

[Testm0nkey]

But there have only been 2-3 years of not that much snow. Then you get massive blizzards.

Kinda like the whole "OMG there are going to be so many hurricanes!!". Oh... wait.

this year there were several hurricane records set. including a storm trifecta and a storm originating in a place where they never originate from (due to increase in water temp - hurricanes need warm water to develope). so yes there were so many hurricanes! (including intensities getting higher and higher over the years)

temp. cont. to rise like predicted = storms becoming more common on AVERAGE and intensities will increase

edit: dogmeat did you just totally do a 180 and change your stance on global warming? make up your mind!

[Mommy]

oh well, shit...

Putting that way: I agree 100%.

I only agree 99.9%

[Hartmann]

this year there were several hurricane records set. including a storm trifecta and a storm originating in a place where they never originate from. so yes there were so many hurricanes! (including intensities getting higher and higher over the years)

Did I say there were no hurricanes? No. Nowhere did I say that.

Except that some named storms this year would technically not have been named storms before... And, we are becoming quicker and quicker at naming storms: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5337583.html

hmmm, sounds like politics to me.

There were only 2 Cat. 3+ storms in the Atlantic this year and only 6 hurricanes total.

I'm curious, which storm formed where no others had formed?
http://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/at2007.asp

My Colorado State University colleagues and I attribute the increase in hurricane activity to the speed-up of water circulating in the Atlantic Ocean. This circulation began to strengthen in 1995 -- at exactly the same time that Atlantic hurricane activity showed a large upswing.

The warming theorists... have the ears of the news media. But there is another plausible explanation, supported by decades of physical observation," he continued. "The spate of recent destructive hurricanes may have little or nothing to do with greenhouse gases and climate change, and everything to do with the Atlantic Ocean's currents.

-William Gray, Hurricane Researcher, Colorado State University

[Testm0nkey]

and theres a couple hundred who say its due in part to warming


hurricanes need warm water to form. temp is increasing/water temp is increasing. thus more strength for hurricanes. that isnt arguable

[Mommy]

let's all pretend to be scientists and talk about the earth even though we dont know anything except what we have read from other people who pretend to know too

[Hartmann]

and theres a couple hundred who say its due in part to warming
hurricanes need warm water to form. temp is increasing/water temp is increasing. thus more strength for hurricanes. that isnt arguable

Thanks for letting me know. I wasn't refuting that, I simply posted a quote that gives an alternative reason as to why the warming occurs and why it's occurred since 1995.

Again, which hurricane formed where no others had?

I was pointing out that the doomsday notion that is bestowed upon is false, once again.

[Psykopath]

wait wait....


Jessica agrees with Dogmeat on everything.







They MUST be dating!!!

















This post has been edited by Psykopath: Dec 2 2007, 11:04 PM

[Testm0nkey]

...TWO CATEGORY 5 HURRICANES...DEAN AND FELIX...MADE
LANDFALL DURING THIS SEASON FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE RECORDS BEGAN
IN 1851.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2007/tws/MIATWSAT_nov.shtml

The apparent increase in the proportion of very intense storms since 1970 in some regions is much larger than simulated by current models for that period."

http://www.usgcrp.gov/usgcrp/links/hurricanes.htm

the fact that hurricane chantal, gabriel, and jerry were of nontropical origins (and i think erin as well)

Erin was also one of the several storms that set records this hurricane season for the fastest intensifying as well

this year is also a La Nina year so the fact that we had some of the most intense storms is surprising (extreme weather events, warmer waters is associated with El Nino)
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edit: i found my hardcopy of the IPCC, 2007 summary for policymakers (with references) "Contribution of working group II to the fourth assessment report of the intergovernmental panel on climate change" if anyone wants the statistics and reports for the predicted global, environmental, health, and human impacts

a global synthesis of studies in this assessment strongly demonstrates that the spatial agreement between regions of significant warming across the globe and the locations of significant observed changes in many systems consistent with warming is very unlikely to be due solely to natural variability of temperatures or natural variability of the systems

i also found my copy of a really great report about the melt in greenland

environmentalism is my "relegion"

[Hartmann]

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2007/tws/MIATWSAT_nov.shtml
http://www.usgcrp.gov/usgcrp/links/hurricanes.htm

the fact that hurricane chantal, gabriel, and jerry were of nontropical origins (and i think erin as well)

Erin was also one of the several storms that set records this hurricane season for the fastest intensifying as well

this year is also a La Nina year so the fact that we had some of the most intense storms is surprising (extreme weather events, warmer waters is associated with El Nino)

So basically, what you just posted confirms what I said, the 'scientists' don't know what the hell is up. I don't see a record anywhere about storms that don't form in the tropics, in fact, there are plenty on record that formed in the North Atlantic. And what about winter storms that are basically hurricanes in cold weather form?

You know Test, I like you, I've always thought you were a cool chick but something seems up lately. You just want to be argumentative. I post a link, a quote, etc. and immediately it's "others disagree", well duh, people disagree and that's why I'm disagreeing with you. I do not follow the same ideas you do.

The links you posted are very factual but they give me no reason to believe that it's global warming causing the changes. That's what I'm getting at. The scientist I quoted works for a prestigious university with a great climatology and meteorology department (I think they do work for the hurricane center) and their belief is that it is simply shifting currents (which happen).

[Mommy]

wait wait....


Jessica agrees with Dogmeat on everything.







They MUST be dating!!!

in a previous life we dated... I suggest him to everyone. He makes a great sexual partner

[pebkac]

and theres a couple hundred who say its due in part to warming
hurricanes need warm water to form. temp is increasing/water temp is increasing. thus more strength for hurricanes. that isnt arguable

That's purely hypothetical (albeit a good hypothesis). Unfortunately, there's not enough data to correlate hurricanes to global warming.

[FORSAKENR320]

good luck guys.

cathryn is a master of taking half truths and bending them out of proportion to suit her own purposes. she's also very good about ignoring information that counters her arguements

[Mommy]

good luck guys.

cathryn is a master of taking half truths and bending them out of proportion to suit her own purposes. she's also very good about ignoring information that counters her arguements

hey, take it to the cathryn and brandon thread

[FORSAKENR320]

hey, take it to the cathryn and brandon thread

shut it..... you easy-bake oven for babies