Mike Huckabee, Are you KIDDING me?! Options

[FORSAKENR320]

you don't need intelligence to have faith...

faith centers around the idea that you are ignorant, but it is ok to be that way. you end up with the Ignorant Faithful (fuck! i can't remember the name of the book i read that in!) people who don't know anything, but feel VERY strongly about that ignorance...

[Oasis]

I read through all eight pages of this shit, twice. I even turned off images so I could try to read what people said objectively without knowing who said it (didn't work, but it's the thought that counts).

First off, let me preface this with my own personal religious views. I'm not religious. I don't know whether there is a God or not, nor do I particularly care. It makes no real difference to me. To me, religion is nothing more than a moral code wrapped around a bunch of stories in the Bible. Of course stuff like Noah's Ark and creating the world in 7 days couldn't rationally happen in real life. That isn't the point of the goddamned tale. The point is the moral of the story and what it teaches us. It's just like any fictional book or movie. Religion, to me, is basically a guide on how to live your life.

Is that a bad thing? Absolutely not.

I am very unorthodox on how I look at things. To me, the end result is what's important. How you get there is meaningless. The point of life is to be a good human being and be happy. I don't think anyone could rationally disagree with that statement.

In my opinion, Christianity is just a guide on how to be a good and happy person, and how to live your life. It's a moral code. All the ridiculous stories, all the old wives' tales, everything else that's in the bible, they're just small parts of the big picture of what the bible is.

At least that's my take on Christianity and religion. Religion cannot be proven or disproven, so in effect, my opinion is just as valid (or invalid) as anyone else's.

I do have a personal reason for disliking religion, though. When my father was killed the pastor (or whatever the fuck you call Episcopalian head of church) spent the entire time trying to convert me to Christianity, when he should have been consoling our family. That sealed the deal for me. Fuck organized religion. Am I being unfair by judging an entire entity by the actions of one person? Yes. Do I care what you think about that? No. Just to squelch any future problems with this view.

I have nothing against religion. I just find solace, strength, and direction in other ways - mainly myself. I'm hard headed and don't like relying on anyone other than me. I had to learn that the hard way.

Part two upcoming

[FORSAKENR320]

I read through all eight pages of this shit, twice. I even turned off images so I could try to read what people said objectively without knowing who said it (didn't work, but it's the thought that counts).

First off, let me preface this with my own personal religious views. I'm not religious. I don't know whether there is a God or not, nor do I particularly care. It makes no real difference to me. To me, religion is nothing more than a moral code wrapped around a bunch of stories in the Bible. Of course stuff like Noah's Ark and creating the world in 7 days couldn't rationally happen in real life. That isn't the point of the goddamned tale. The point is the moral of the story and what it teaches us. It's just like any fictional book or movie. Religion, to me, is basically a guide on how to live your life.

Is that a bad thing? Absolutely not.

I am very unorthodox on how I look at things. To me, the end result is what's important. How you get there is meaningless. The point of life is to be a good human being and be happy. I don't think anyone could rationally disagree with that statement.

In my opinion, Christianity is just a guide on how to be a good and happy person, and how to live your life. It's a moral code. All the ridiculous stories, all the old wives' tales, everything else that's in the bible, they're just small parts of the big picture of what the bible is.

At least that's my take on Christianity and religion. Religion cannot be proven or disproven, so in effect, my opinion is just as valid (or invalid) as anyone else's.

I do have a personal reason for disliking religion, though. When my father was killed the pastor (or whatever the fuck you call Episcopalian head of church) spent the entire time trying to convert me to Christianity, when he should have been consoling our family. That sealed the deal for me. Fuck organized religion. Am I being unfair by judging an entire entity by the actions of one person? Yes. Do I care what you think about that? No. Just to squelch any future problems with this view.

I have nothing against religion. I just find solace, strength, and direction in other ways - mainly myself. I'm hard headed and don't like relying on anyone other than me. I had to learn that the hard way.

Part two upcoming

i'm shocked, but i agree with what you said, it's the same way i've felt and have posted such on these boards before. (DOESN'T CONTRIBUTE ANYTHING TO THE ARGUEMENT, BUT JUST SAYING)

[Oasis]

The only thing I don't like about religion are people who rely too heavily on it and use faith as a justification fo acting irrational. For example, there was a story in today's Statesman about a guy who was throwing a Christian concert festival in Austin. He used his $100k in personal savings to put it together, he expected about 40,000 people and like two thousand showed up. He's throwing it again this year even though he's now financially assraped. His justification was something to the effect of "I'm going to throw it again this year and and God will ensure that enough people show up." Oh. Have fun being bankrupt.

I don't see why religious and non religious people can't coexist. Who gives a shit what other people believe in? Religion is a personal thing. I'm sure you have better things to worry about in your life than worrying about someone else's views. Hell I knew Seth and hung out with him numerous times and had no idea what he believed in. Nor did I care. I doubt he knew what I believed in either. Doubt he cared either.

The only thing I dislike about Christianity are the nutcases, zealots, idiots, and the people who try to force their religion on you. There is a HUGE difference between people who force their views on you and people who tell you about what they believe in and see if you're interested in listening. Someone like Jonathan83 seems like the latter - a person who has faith in what he believes in and tells other people for their benefit. No malicious intent in that, regardless of whether you agree with him or not. The people who say "If you don't believe in God you suck, you're going to a damnation of eternal hell" whatever are dipshits. They're an extreme minority. Their are dumbfucks in every group, regardless of what that group represents.

The next dumbfuck who says Christianity sucks because a few nutjobs bomb abortion clinics in the name of God is gonna get an earful from me. Just remember, it's the people who don't believe in God who are sacrificing goats and drinking their blood. If you wanna pigeonhole Christians as idiots, I'll pigeonhole you as not only an idiot, but a psychotic idiot.

Give me ONE instance when you initially disagreed with someone else's argument and you didn't just write them off as stupid because they had a different view than you? I have never once seen you do that.

I'm not a Christian, yet I probably made more points for Christianity than I did against Christianity. Never once used the word "stupid" while discussing something I don't believe in/agree with. Nor did I call anyone stupid

Is this good enough for you, Billy?




....Except for you. You're stupid. You're the biggest hypocrite I've ever seen. You wanna call Christians who have blind faith in what they believe in and don't question anything "idiots." Fine. What does that make you, considering you believe the exact opposite? You're set in your beliefs and it's painfully obvious you wig out whenever anyone has a dissenting view from yours. That's closed mindedness and hypocrisy, in my opinion.

Listen up: When you think you're God's gift to intelligence and everyone else calls you an idiot and flat out refuses to argue with you because it's fruitless, that's a you problem. Not an everyone else problem. This will benefit you greatly in life

[Billy]

Was I even talking to you? What the hell is the matter with you?

And before you give me advice on life, fix your own first. I'm doing pretty well.

And though you spent some time writing your two posts, I do hope you realize they contribute absolutely nothing new to this thread.

No one cares what you dislike. No one cares what bothers you. No one gives a damn about you. How can such a pissant have such an ego? You want to know how you can contribute? Stop talking about how you feel, and start asking philisophical questions that are either pro or con what the original author brought up.

Back on topic.


Hey look, it's seth about to chime in.

[THECHICKEN]

lol at billy

I think MANY people feel just like Will ( i know i do for the most part). Extremely well put and its funny to see the troll still troll by.

I would say it added A LOT to the discussion for how someone can believe in creation and it not be a huge problem, society-wise.

[Billy]

lol at billy

I think MANY people feel just like Will ( i know i do for the most part). Extremely well put and its funny to see the troll still troll by.

I would say it added A LOT to the discussion for how someone can believe in creation and it not be a huge problem, society-wise.

And this is not trolling? Instead of even making an ounce of an attempt to get on topic you'd rather use provocation? Yeah, hypocrite. Good job. Enough with your villanizing bullshit. Do you know how to do anything else?

[Billy]

Anyway, congrats to the three us for making another potentially good thread into utter shit.

[THECHICKEN]

And this is not trolling? Instead of even making an ounce of an attempt to get on topic you'd rather use provocation? Yeah, hypocrite. Good job.

keep it up

I was simply agreeing with will showing it wasn't just HIM that believed that way...

Again, you ignore peoples posts (all the relevant material within) and put your fingers in ears and throwing out insults and trolling

[THECHICKEN]

huckabee on abortion: Huckabee says abortion shouldn't be decided by States

What exactly would give the federal gov. the right to regulate Abortions over states? Commerce clause?

I can bear arguments that roe v wade was decided wrong (though most cases have flaws when decided, doesn't mean they all should be overturned... like non-enumerated rights for example). But can someone tell me what constitutional right, granted to congress, enumerates the right to control abortion?

[Oasis]

Was I even talking to you? What the hell is the matter with you?

You brought my name into this thread.

And before you give me advice on life, fix your own first. I'm doing pretty well.

I've actually done an excellent job in fixing my life from what it was this summer. Thanks for your concern.

And though you spent some time writing your two posts, I do hope you realize they contribute absolutely nothing new to this thread.

And your vitriolic bullshit throughout this thread was somehow beneficial?

No one cares what you dislike. No one cares what bothers you. No one gives a damn about you. How can such a pissant have such an ego? You want to know how you can contribute? Stop talking about how you feel, and start asking philisophical questions that are either pro or con what the original author brought up.

I care about what I have to say. Apparently, so does Seth. And I'm sure more people will when they read the thread.

Anything else? This is getting good.

[FORSAKENR320]

"here's a knife, do something with the knife"

[blaarg]

example of a religious zealot:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...6/wmicro116.xml

My friend sent me the headline\description, and I thought it was an onion article...

[Hartmann]

example of a religious zealot:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...6/wmicro116.xml

My friend sent me the headline\description, and I thought it was an onion article...

Agreed. The guy sounds retarded.

Look, the latest generation of Christians believe that we deserve the right to legislate whatever we want and that by using the government we can change people. I adamantly disagree. All we have to do is look at history and see that just getting people under a "Christian" nation will not last. Plus, it's not what God asks of us anyway. I don't remember reading anywhere "you will pass a law against the gays, sayeth the Lord".

The more Christians live like Christians and stop worrying about what the government can do to legislate "morality", the better off we will all be.

[pebkac]

huckabee on abortion: Huckabee says abortion shouldn't be decided by States

What exactly would give the federal gov. the right to regulate Abortions over states? Commerce clause?

I can bear arguments that roe v wade was decided wrong (though most cases have flaws when decided, doesn't mean they all should be overturned... like non-enumerated rights for example). But can someone tell me what constitutional right, granted to congress, enumerates the right to control abortion?

I was going to say that he's just pandering to his right wing base, but the way he's doing in the polls, I honestly think he believes this shit.

I also found this quote amusing:

Huckabee also previewed his first television ad of the campaign on the program. The 60-second spot, which features actor Chuck Norris, was to begin running in Iowa on Monday.

"My plan to secure the border. Two words: Chuck. Norris," says Huckabee, who stares into the camera before it cuts away to show Norris standing beside him.

"Mike Huckabee is a lifelong hunter who'll protect our Second Amendment rights" on gun ownership, says the tough-guy actor, who takes turns addressing viewers.

"There's no chin behind Chuck Norris' beard, only another fist," Huckabee says.

Now Huckabee's just getting desperate.

Agreed. The guy sounds retarded.

Look, the latest generation of Christians believe that we deserve the right to legislate whatever we want and that by using the government we can change people. I adamantly disagree. All we have to do is look at history and see that just getting people under a "Christian" nation will not last. Plus, it's not what God asks of us anyway. I don't remember reading anywhere "you will pass a law against the gays, sayeth the Lord".

The more Christians live like Christians and stop worrying about what the government can do to legislate "morality", the better off we will all be.

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This post has been edited by pebkac: Nov 19 2007, 10:14 AM