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post Oct 11 2007, 06:16 PM
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QUOTE (cmac @ Oct 11 2007, 06:29 PM) *
i love being insulted today. it's great. smile.gif if the knifer chases one person down then it must mean there is opportunity for everyone else to get away. im pretty sure it's easier to dodge a knife than a bullet. physics. not that difficult to see.

and this isn't the crusades.

Guns make a loud bang when the first shot is fired and people run. Ever shot at people at longer than 15 yards? Oh, and 4,000 people died in 4 knife attacks on 9/11.... not even a gun has done that good. (semi joking)

Fact is i bet you could walk through a crowd KNIFING many more people without the crowd knowing, and kill MANY more, than with a loud gun which induces panic.

oh and heres a good article (forget it being from fox please)
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,107274,00.html
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there are about two million defensive gun uses (search) each year; guns are used defensively four times more frequently than they are to commit crimes.


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post Oct 11 2007, 06:37 PM
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if you guys want to hear me say that there are good people that have guns, then yes, sure there are. i'm sure no one on here with your guns has killed anyone or has plans to.
i'm concerned about when the guns are used to commit crimes and people are killed.
numerous people are killed.
you can spin the knife thing all you want but when you walk into a crowded classroom with an automatic weapon you can spray far more bullets than you could walk from desk to desk and stab students.


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post Oct 11 2007, 06:43 PM
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QUOTE (cmac @ Oct 11 2007, 07:37 PM) *
if you guys want to hear me say that there are good people that have guns, then yes, sure there are. i'm sure no one on here with your guns has killed anyone or has plans to.
i'm concerned about when the guns are used to commit crimes and people are killed.
numerous people are killed.
you can spin the knife thing all you want but when you walk into a crowded classroom with an automatic weapon you can spray far more bullets than you could walk from desk to desk and stab students.

And as you can't seem to understand, those people you want to take the guns away from (the MANY you say you recognize) have had their lives SAVED by guns... imagine that.

Guns save lives. Removing them completely and putting people in danger (from others and the government) is just like the doctor removing your head instead of giving you medicine to fix a headache. If there is a problem with children getting guns then make laws, etc. Instead you want to ban guns and make laws that punish people who could previously protect their families.


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post Oct 11 2007, 07:21 PM
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QUOTE (cmac @ Oct 11 2007, 06:18 PM) *
ok. i'll be waiting. i think the odds are that someone kills your kid at school are greater than someone breaking through my locked door at random in the middle of the night to kill me.

uh are you frickin serious?? blink.gif
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post Oct 11 2007, 07:58 PM
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uh yeah. i haven't pissed anyone off.
i don't have a mercedes sitting in my driveway. i don't have a golden doorknob.
there's nothing that differentiates my house from any other on my block or my city. what are the odds that at random a criminal looking to kill someone just for fun, chooses my house out of the million in my city?
not to mention, i lock my doors. not that that is that big of a deterrent but to get past a lock there must be some big intent to enter my house.


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post Oct 11 2007, 08:27 PM
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How often do people's houses get broken into?

Compare that to how often we hear about a school shooting.

I'm going to guess (just maybe) that someone gets their house broken into MORE than schools get shotted.


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post Oct 11 2007, 08:29 PM
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how often are those people home when broken into? prob the majority are not home.
and shot? killed?


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post Oct 11 2007, 08:40 PM
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QUOTE (cmac @ Oct 11 2007, 08:29 PM) *
how often are those people home when broken into? prob the majority are not home.
and shot? killed?

I hear this news a lot more than I hear about school shootings. Go figure. And usually, when they're being robbed and killed, it's a knife that does the dirty work. Hmmm.


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post Oct 11 2007, 08:57 PM
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you must be watching different news than me.
every instance i see is someone kidnaps a kid and molests them or something.


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QUOTE (cmac @ Oct 11 2007, 09:57 PM) *
you must be watching different news than me.
every instance i see is someone kidnaps a kid and molests them or something.

so let me get this straight... you really think school shootings are more common than home robbery+murders????
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post Oct 11 2007, 10:19 PM
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than random home murders. yes.
obviously both are very uncommon.


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post Oct 11 2007, 10:39 PM
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Guns don't kill people; Black people kill people


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post Oct 11 2007, 10:41 PM
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QUOTE (Oasis @ Oct 11 2007, 11:39 PM) *
Guns don't kill people; Black people kill people


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post Oct 11 2007, 11:11 PM
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QUOTE (cmac @ Oct 11 2007, 11:19 PM) *
than random home murders. yes.
obviously both are very uncommon.

you're wrong
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post Oct 11 2007, 11:14 PM
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I agree random home murders > school shootings.
but they are both SO infrequent (I mean, both have to be > .001%) that they are really not that much of a difference right??????


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