Employee Non-Discrimination Act Options

[theIncredibleEdi...]

OK, so I just wanted to post a link to this petition. Basically, the Employee Non-Discrimination Act would protect GLBT folks from being fired from a job just for being GLBT, BUT politicians are trying to pass a newer version which would exclude those people who are transgendered. So, this petition is to urge law-makers to vote on the ORIGINAL version which is inclusive, rather than the new one. I know some folks are gonna be like, "screw you...." but just thought I would offer it up to those who are supportive.

http://www.nosubstitutes.org/

[Oasis]

Why do you people lump yourselves in with transsexual freaks? Being gay I can understand. Plus, it's socially acceptable enough that it probably won't hurt business to have a gay person working for you. But a tranny? Sorry, the hell if I will EVER shop at an establisment with a goddamned transsexual as an employee. Employees should have every right in the world to fire someone if they're detrimental to their business, and I guarantee tranny freaks are detrimental as hell.

[impala454]

most employers can fire you for pretty much any reason at any time.

[theIncredibleEdi...]

Why do you people lump yourselves in with transsexual freaks? Being gay I can understand. Plus, it's socially acceptable enough that it probably won't hurt business to have a gay person working for you. But a tranny? Sorry, the hell if I will EVER shop at an establisment with a goddamned transsexual as an employee. Employees should have every right in the world to fire someone if they're detrimental to their business, and I guarantee tranny freaks are detrimental as hell.

You know, they're human beings too...and just like gays/lesbians, they didn't choose to be that way. Even within the gay community there is some division...some gays are afraid of them. I know when I lived/worked in Sneed, there was a guy who was going through it. we're not talking about cross-dressers here...these are people who genuinely identify as the opposite gender. Your reaction shows your lack of information/exposure.

[cupcake]

Why do you people lump yourselves in with transsexual freaks? Being gay I can understand. Plus, it's socially acceptable enough that it probably won't hurt business to have a gay person working for you. But a tranny? Sorry, the hell if I will EVER shop at an establisment with a goddamned transsexual as an employee. Employees should have every right in the world to fire someone if they're detrimental to their business, and I guarantee tranny freaks are detrimental as hell.

Transvestites...

I needed a suit to accompany my great uncle's family at the university club for the macy's parade hullabaloo...

This jew broad I hung out with took me to all these schee-schee boutiques in soho to find a suit. One place was out of control, but had a nice suit that I liked. The sales person was 6'6" transvestite goth black chick/man. I do not frighten or intimidate easily, but this motherfuck freaked me out.

Anyway, I went to try the suit on and I pulled the curtain...clear. Clear fuckin curtain. Not only that, but the wall was all mirrored. No biggie to most, but I don't wear panties. I freeball all the time.

Fuck it...I stripped my shit down and heshe said, dang girl where were you hiding all those muscles at?

It was such a mortifying experience, that I bought this ultrafag stretchy gun metal metallic shirt that I have never worn a day in my life; as I type this, it's in my closet and I will take it to the grave.

Just for a reminder of my visual molestation by a giant goth negro tranny...

[impala454]

An excerpt from our employee handbook (very typical of most companies)

Your relationship with <company> is that of an employee-at-will. Your job status does not
guarantee employment for any specific length of time. Your employment with <company> is
entered into voluntarily and both you and <company> are free to end the employment relationship
at any time, for any reason, with or without cause or advance notice

most jobs any of us will ever have will be "at-will" jobs. in which case you don't even have to have a "reason" to be let go.

[theIncredibleEdi...]

Just to let ya know...the term "transvestite" is kind of a dead one....more appropriate is "cross-dresser", which is different from "transgendered."

Cross-dressing is, just that....dressing like the opposite sex. This actually is composed of a lot of heterosexual men.
A transgendered person identifies internally (mentally/emotionally) as the opposite sex.

[theIncredibleEdi...]

An excerpt from our employee handbook (very typical of most companies)
most jobs any of us will ever have will be "at-will" jobs. in which case you don't even have to have a "reason" to be let go.

True, but it's very unlikely that you will be fired with the reason that you are straight/heterosexual.

[impala454]

that's the point... so why the bitching about it? they'll just fire you with no reason.

[cupcake]

so what is a dude with titties and a dick who acts like a chick?

that's a transvestite.

[theIncredibleEdi...]

so what is a dude with titties and a dick who acts like a chick?

that's a transvestite.

thats just complicated...

If they have both sex organs....they're intersexed.

A transgendered person either was born with the parts of the sex opposite to how they identify, or they might have been intersexed at birth and the doctor/parents decided to select the gender FOR the child.

[chook]

that story made my morning.

[pebkac]

An excerpt from our employee handbook (very typical of most companies)
most jobs any of us will ever have will be "at-will" jobs. in which case you don't even have to have a "reason" to be let go.

I agree that most jobs nowadays are recognizing sexuality as something not to be discriminated against, but it's the principle of the thing for me. It's illegal to fire me because of my race, but not because of my sexual preference?

[impala454]

no they can currently fire you for any reason they like... this is a proposal for a bill, and includes everyone except transgendered people. my guess is they just don't see the point. what else will they have to include? people who got an extra cock grafted onto their ass?

[Spectatrix]

Impala, at-will employment does not give employers carte blanche authority to fire whomever they choose for whatever reason they choose. If the employee feels that unfair discrimination was at the heart of their termination, they have legal recourse. This bill seeks to expand that further.

From Wiki:

Although all U.S. states have a number of statutory protections for employees, most wrongful termination suits brought under statutory causes of action use the federal anti-discrimination statutes which prohibit firing or refusing to hire an employee because of race, color, religion, sex, national origin, age, or handicap status. Examples of federal statutes include:

• Equal Pay Act of 1963 (relating to discrimination on the basis of sex in payment of wages);
• Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (relating to discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, or national origin);
• Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967 (relating to certain discrimination on the basis of age with respect to persons of at least 40 years of age);
• Rehabilitation Act of 1973 (related to certain discrimination on the basis of handicap status);
• Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 (relating to certain discrimination on the basis of handicap status).

That doesn't mean that an employer can't fire an employee for some reason related to one of these factors. For instance, if the job requires heavy lifting and the employee can't perform that function because of weakness due to age or disability, the employer is within their right to terminate them. Similarly, if an employee is scaring off customers due to an outlandish stereotypical "tranny" appearance, they can still be fired under this new legislation. But they can't be fired just because they're old, homosexual, transgender, black, female, etc.

This post has been edited by Spectatrix: Oct 8 2007, 01:21 PM