President Ahmadinejad Speaks, at Columbia University and at the United Nations Options

[Dogmeat]

Aaron...sorry...

but that is about the most dumbfuck "comparison" I've ever seen anyone (Short of either Anne Coulter or Al Franken) even attempt to make.

Prove me wrong

[pysex]

I have no problem with allowing foreign dignitaries the right to speak in America or about American politics. But when we allow an obvious enemy of the United States (someone who potentially jeopardizes our way of life) to come to our own country and speak about our practices is absurd. What makes his speeches any different over here than the shit he spews standing in front of his countrymen?

I know you're trying to be objective and open minded....but for fucking christ sake holy lord jesus and all things good....it's the president of Iran. He's said so much bad shit about America, stood with Hugo Chavez at hate rallies against America, looked at the camera and said he wants to erase the west from existence...AND YOU ACTUALLY WANT TO HEAR WHAT THIS FUCK HAS TO SAY? Do you honestly think you're going to obtain any worthwhile information from an obvious publicity stunt for his own agenda?!!!!!

Next we'll hear that Osama Bin Laden wants to make a fucking speech and you guys will want him to come in so you can "drill" him and ask him questions. We'll be giving him full protection because THAT'S WHAT AMERICANS DO!!Q!!#@!!!!
FUCK THAT




The only question these fucks deserve to be asked is where they want the bullet....in the heart or in the head

[GOB]

next week columbia has fidel castro debating kim jong il

[impala454]

Conan O'Brien's monologue was purty funny:

"If we want to hear a short tempered Iranian man yell at us, we'll take a cab"

[Seeker]

Last time I checked, we all believed in free speech for ourselves, so why not for the Iranian president also?

[impala454]

he's free to speak, but we don't have to give him a platform to do it on. that seems to get confused a lot nowadays.

[Seeker]

You have a right to not give him a platform, but last time I checked Columbia University is a private institution that doesn't take orders from you and can give a speaking platform to whomever they please.

[Psykopath]

Prove me wrong

Government's also waste shit tons of money.

Big corporations also waste shit tons of money.

Doubt every one of those entities in the world are "liberal" (oh deary me, that turrrurist word!).
Get the point?

[Dogmeat]

Government's also waste shit tons of money.

Big corporations also waste shit tons of money.

Doubt every one of those entities in the world are "liberal" (oh deary me, that turrrurist word!).
Get the point?

Yes, governments are a huge waste of money, and universities are by and large government entities ...

Where do you get "big corporations waste shit tons of money" from?

If corporations do this, they rapidly become HIGHLY uncompetitive, and quickly reach their demise. If anything, I think corporations are MUCH less wasteful than government entities because they simply cannot afford to be wasteful.

I think if government agencies were run under the same guidlines and constraints most corporations have to operate under in order to remain competitive, we would see about 1/2 the garbage spending we see from any given government agency.

[The Fanatic]

Let's not forget who the real NON-ELECTED ruler of Iran is:



A few quick points:

Billy, comparing the big bang theory to the holocaust is preposterous. Definitely an apples and oranges thing. We have never observed the big bang. In fact, physics can not even explain the singularity. This is not a bad thing for the big bang, however it falls short in comparison to the holocaust which was widely documented, witnessed and experienced by millions of people.

Secondly, I don't see any problem with Columbia allowing the president of Iran to speak at their university. It is usually a wise idea to at least know something about the person your dealing with, and what better way to do that then to have questions fielded by faculty and students alike . Proving that politicians in Iran are a lot like politicians in America when it comes to answering question about policy.

Thirdly, we can call Iran brutal, evil, barbaric, along with many other things. And I know I am going to get slack for even suggesting that America has something to do with the regime that is in power today. However, we unfortunately do. Remember that revolution against the shah of Iran in 1979? Well we kind of put that dude in power after we helped oust the democratically elected Prime Minister Dr. Mohammad Mossadegh (Which was headed by Kermit Roosevelt Jr, grandson to Teddy) because he nationalized the oil industry (which was controlled by British Petroleum at the time) in Operation Ajax in 1953.

a condition of restoring the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company, the U.S. required that the AIOC's oil monopoly lapse. Five major U.S. oil companies, plus Royal Dutch Shell and French Compagnie Française des Pétroles, were designated to operate in the country alongside AIOC after a successful coup.

Source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ajax

So, naturally when the Iranians revolted in 1979 (originally a broad coalition of liberal, socialist, moderates, and unfortunately religious extremists) they were not exactly ethusiastic about the United States. In fact, that probably had a lot do with why they took the hostages.

I guess this is my point. Is Iran a barbaric theocracy with a different ideology then the United States. Yes. Do they want to destroy us? Probably, but I think they should be much more worried about us then we should be worried about them. Basically, this whole going around the world police bullshit is getting us in a lot more trouble in the long run. The short term goals always look more promising to us but is it really worth it in the end? Should we trust Iran? No. But I also don't think we need to judge the regime as harshly as we do considering the implications of the past.

This post has been edited by Dr. Gonzo: Sep 25 2007, 01:04 AM

[blaarg]

But when we allow an obvious enemy of the United States (someone who potentially jeopardizes our way of life) to come to our own country and speak about our practices is absurd.

I'm curious on how Iran can potentially jeopardize our way of life. I have a hard time believing some 3rd world country (regardless of who it is) will destroy the American way of life. I guess we should watch out for the Ugandans next...

Oh btw, my friend came back from Iran. Said that everyone over there thinks that the prez is a puppet anyways and don't particularly care what he says/thinks. Most of the population is more concerned about living day to day than about politics (what a surprise in a poor country). He said that the image of all of Iran being anti-American soldiers willing to die for what they believe in is so ridiculously absurd. Finally, he gave an approximate end to this particular government within 20 years.

Oh and almost all places don't have toilets, so they shit in holes.
And no trashcans in the street so they just throw their trash on the road.

That's about it.

[pysex]

Ummm...

Hugo Chavez publicly spoke and announced he was ready to take any and all Iranian terrorist cells and train them to speak english and act American so he could send them across the Mexican border.


How is Iran not a threat?


The problem I have with countries like that is just what you said. They don't care about politics. They sit around and let these jackasses build networks of government funded terrorists. If they really cared about their country and didn't want us blowing shit up, they'd put an end to the radicalist states.

[cupcake]

in my opinion, we are just as barbaric as iraq and iran etc. if not more.

you want barbaric...visualize what would happen if an american president decided to roll over to iran to give a speech on the american agenda...

some of these posts are indicative of an idealistic and uninitiated youthful american viewpoint. which is not a bad thing...I'd rather have our youth idealistic and full of butterflies than jaded and salty like israel's.

[impala454]

You have a right to not give him a platform, but last time I checked Columbia University is a private institution that doesn't take orders from you and can give a speaking platform to whomever they please.

I wasn't giving an order. I just feel they shouldn't have given him a platform to speak from.

[blaarg]

Ummm...

Hugo Chavez publicly spoke and announced he was ready to take any and all Iranian terrorist cells and train them to speak english and act American so he could send them across the Mexican border.

Can I have a link to the source on this one.

And the part about the country being apathetic towards politics is the most understandable thing in the world. I'm sure if you were an uneducated Iranian whose primary focus is mostly on survival everyday you wouldn't give a shit about politics either.

In addition, I still don't see how they pose an immediate threat to the United States and our way of life and could lead to the downfall of this country...If anything they should be worried about us leading to the end of their country (after all we have a military presence in Iraq and Afghanistan, two bordering countries, not to mention a presence in other gulf regions such as Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Qatar...oh yeah I guess I'm not factoring in all the Iranian bases in Cuba and Canada that pose an immediate threat...)