Sen Craig Options

[impala454]

If sexually harassing means attempting to engage in a totally consensual act, ok. The only reason it was illegal was that Craig theoretically wanted to have sex in a public restroom.

yeah but wanting to have sex is not illegal. that's where i don't get this stuff. or the 20/20 predator BS, or anything where they arrest the person on perceived intentions.

[theIncredibleEdi...]

yeah but wanting to have sex is not illegal. that's where i don't get this stuff. or the 20/20 predator BS, or anything where they arrest the person on perceived intentions.

I dont mean to sound like a gay advocate, but what these police bathroom stings are is an attack on the "gay community" although most of the men who cruise for sex in bathrooms do not identify as gay (Craig is aperfect example).

This shit is happening all over....police are even going on Craigslist and other websites and trying to bust people for prostitution without an exchange of money occurring. Just like in this situation, theyre making the arrest BEFORE the act happens.

Hell, it's an attack on SEX in general. This country is insane about curbing sexual activity of any type. Thanks to our religious right-wing zealot friends, sex is EVILLLL!!

[impala454]

well i dunno about all that, i just wonder how the hell "intent" can be an arrestable offense. no matter what the crime. if i load my .45, buy a roll of duct tape, some trash bags and a shovel, should i be arrested?

[theIncredibleEdi...]

well i dunno about all that, i just wonder how the hell "intent" can be an arrestable offense. no matter what the crime. if i load my .45, buy a roll of duct tape, some trash bags and a shovel, should i be arrested?

That stuff is honestly happening....

[pebkac]

well i dunno about all that, i just wonder how the hell "intent" can be an arrestable offense. no matter what the crime. if i load my .45, buy a roll of duct tape, some trash bags and a shovel, should i be arrested?

I think it depends on the situation. If the cops were able to prove that Craig was going to have sex in public, that would be sufficient grounds for arrest.

As it stands, the officer could not prove that Craig wanted to have public sex. For all he knows, he could have intended to take the officer someplace private.

[JRockTTU]

I dont mean to sound like a gay advocate, but what these police bathroom stings are is an attack on the "gay community" although most of the men who cruise for sex in bathrooms do not identify as gay (Craig is aperfect example).

This shit is happening all over....police are even going on Craigslist and other websites and trying to bust people for prostitution without an exchange of money occurring. Just like in this situation, theyre making the arrest BEFORE the act happens.

Hell, it's an attack on SEX in general. This country is insane about curbing sexual activity of any type. Thanks to our religious right-wing zealot friends, sex is EVILLLL!!

I could care less if they're busting this behavior in bathrooms. I don't care if it's gay or straight, I don't want two people having any kind of sex while I'm in a public bathroom. Go have sex in a motel or at someone's house, bet you won't get caught there.

[theIncredibleEdi...]

I could care less if they're busting this behavior in bathrooms. I don't care if it's gay or straight, I don't want two people having any kind of sex while I'm in a public bathroom. Go have sex in a motel or at someone's house, bet you won't get caught there.

Well, for some (the closeted ones) its one of the few places they can find sex. And for the gays, it's mostly in the thrill of anonymous sex.

But i agree that public sex is a nuissance.

[Mommy]

If sexually harassing means attempting to engage in a totally consensual act, ok. The only reason it was illegal was that Craig theoretically wanted to have sex in a public restroom.

he was attempting to play footsy with the guys in the stall next to him. Youre just sticking up for the guy because he could possibly be gay, a lifestyle you associate yourself with. I dont know a PC way of putting this so Im just going to say it: I wouldnt stick up for an albino if she was caught doing something illegal, as white as I may be. I absolutely detest arguements of this sort. Additionally, this wasnt a public restroom in a club... it was in an airport. If something like this were to happen in a dual sex bathroom (supposing they existed ...and Im not talking about a family restroom), then you better damn well believe that if some guy was making leude gestures to be from underneath the stall, that I would report his ass. Additionally, because homosexuality isnt considered to be a 100% accepted across the board kind of thing, he should have known better. Of course there are going to be guys out there that are downright offended because they think its a perversion.... Just as some consider prostitutes (not that Im equating the two, but someone referred to prostitutes in pointing out a double standard) to be filth. You have to know your audience.... an airport isn't the first place I would think of when trying to pick up a homo.

[Mommy]

well i dunno about all that, i just wonder how the hell "intent" can be an arrestable offense. no matter what the crime. if i load my .45, buy a roll of duct tape, some trash bags and a shovel, should i be arrested?

because he was making leude gestures, obscene noises, and trying to play footsy... thats inappropriate behavior no matter what sex of person you are harrassing.

[impala454]

well i heard some more info on this this morning... apparently it was airport cops that arranged the sting, not the FBI or real cops. they had no charge to arrest him on, so they scared him into signing a document admitting guilt of "disorderly conduct". the bottom line is they had zero charge to arrest him on. touching someone's foot is not an arrestable offense. if it is, we have a lot more to worry about than a gay senator. look at the 20/20 BS, they take the guys into custody but they're never charged with anything. i'm surprised the cops don't get the pants sued off of them.

[Mommy]

they only did that after several people complained about him being inappropriate.

[theIncredibleEdi...]

he was attempting to play footsy with the guys in the stall next to him. Youre just sticking up for the guy because he could possibly be gay, a lifestyle you associate yourself with. I dont know a PC way of putting this so Im just going to say it: I wouldnt stick up for an albino if she was caught doing something illegal, as white as I may be. I absolutely detest arguements of this sort. Additionally, this wasnt a public restroom in a club... it was in an airport. If something like this were to happen in a dual sex bathroom (supposing they existed ...and Im not talking about a family restroom), then you better damn well believe that if some guy was making leude gestures to be from underneath the stall, that I would report his ass. Additionally, because homosexuality isnt considered to be a 100% accepted across the board kind of thing, he should have known better. Of course there are going to be guys out there that are downright offended because they think its a perversion.... Just as some consider prostitutes (not that Im equating the two, but someone referred to prostitutes in pointing out a double standard) to be filth. You have to know your audience.... an airport isn't the first place I would think of when trying to pick up a homo.

It's almost laughable to suggest that we would stick up for Craig because he could possibly be gay. Senator Craig has a VERY long track record of voting on anti-gay issues. The support of him wouldn't be because he's possibly gay...it would be to show compassion....which the right-wingers have NONE.

His cruising for sex in a bathroom stems from all the homophobia that we are subjected to in America. I'll bet that his whole life he's been told that his "urges" or attractions were SINFUL and EVIL. THAT is what drove him to get married and seek out sex from men in public restrooms. This is something we don't expect you to understand, because you haven't had to live in this position.

[Mommy]

It's almost laughable to suggest that we would stick up for Craig because he could possibly be gay. Senator Craig has a VERY long track record of voting on anti-gay issues. The support of him wouldn't be because he's possibly gay...it would be to show compassion....which the right-wingers have NONE.

His cruising for sex in a bathroom stems from all the homophobia that we are subjected to in America. I'll bet that his whole life he's been told that his "urges" or attractions were SINFUL and EVIL. THAT is what drove him to get married and seek out sex from men in public restrooms. This is something we don't expect you to understand, because you haven't had to live in this position.

Could a gay person not identify himself with Craig?... Craig perhaps has had to lead an "in the closet" lifestyle because he lives in a predominately Republican, right-wing state, but he also enjoys the political life. So yes, I do think the gay community will stand behind him.

[theIncredibleEdi...]

Could a gay person not identify himself with Craig?... Craig perhaps has had to lead an "in the closet" lifestyle because he lives in a predominately Republican, right-wing state, but he also enjoys the political life. So yes, I do think the gay community will stand behind him.

Living a closeted lifestyle is happening ALL over the U.S....not just in the "red states."

[Epic]

and a big part of the gay lifestyle is reaching a point where you can be proud of who you are, and not ashamed/afraid and thus closeted.

gays are often privately supportive of closeted individuals to help the come out, but as a community not very supportive because the person has to be out in order for them to be a part of that community.

that's why the gays are always "bashing" (giving a hard time to) people like Tom Cruise, Gary Anderson, and others that are perceived/understood to be gay, but not publicly out.