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[impala454]

bingo.

(at lance)

[impala454]

you can call it stereotyping, racism, whatever, but the facts don't lie.

[Psykopath]

here's something i want to fingure out....
why is most of the crime in a city usually committed by only a small percentage of it's populace. the minorities

Sure thing David Dukes.

Glad that bond office gives you 100% accurate statistics to all crime committed, including those not caught and tried, white-collar crime, etc.

[Psykopath]

you can call it stereotyping, racism, whatever, but the facts don't lie.

Racism (on yours and others level) doesn't help the problem either. Just makes you look like a jackass. Which you seem to be most comfortable with.

[impala454]

Racism (on yours and others level) doesn't help the problem either. Just makes you look like a jackass. Which you seem to be most comfortable with.

tell me what makes you think i'm a racist

[Inferia]

you can call it stereotyping, racism, whatever, but the facts don't lie.

Right, the facts don't lie. But what facts are these? That minorities commit more crime than white people? Then are you saying that minorities are inherently bad while white people are inherently good? If not then, what has society done to make it so as that these facts are true? And what can we do so that these facts don't have to be true since assuming that one race is not inherently better than another? I think these facts can be altered. And essentially that's what diversification does for people. If you bring someone out of their normal environment and into a completely different environment, that person will adjust to fit into the new environment. If people are kept clustered so as that they stay close to the same people, it would be very difficult to such trend that we see now. And that is many of the problems with segregated communities because people are separated by social economic backgrounds. If we assume that the whites are wealthier than the minorities, and if we assume that the less wealthy receives less education, and the less educated commit more violent crimes, it is easy to see why minorities commit more crimes in this situation. If we redistrubute the minorities, we can have a more "harmonious" society. Or at least not a society where one race is perceived to be a certain way. I'm not saying taking them out of their homes and place them randomly in white communities, I am saying to restructure cities so that there isn't a large disparity between parts of the town. Then again, capitalism doesn't quite work this way, but if you think about, if you created this environment, then why are you bitching?

I'm not sure what all the complaints with the number of Mexicans in Texas is all about. I live by Detroit, which I think is the most dangerous cities in US, and there aren't that many Mexicans. And if we went for the other not-quite-model-citizen minorities, we probably come up with black people. Then what do you propose we do in this situation, they didn't exactly cross the border unwanted? More bars and more guards? Send them back to Africa? Just shoot them all?

[GOB]

forced integration/acceptance is not the answer. everybody needs to compromise.

[impala454]

Right, the facts don't lie. But what facts are these? That minorities commit more crime than white people?

yes

Then are you saying that minorities are inherently bad while white people are inherently good?

no, it's exactly what it says, that minorities commit more crimes. but it's not just that aspect, it's poor, uneducated, unemployed, kids raised by parents that don't care, etc, as well.

If not then, what has society done to make it so as that these facts are true?

absolutely nothing. society doesn't force people to shoot people and take their wallets. society doesn't force people to use drugs or form gangs. society doesn't force people to rape.

And what can we do so that these facts don't have to be true since assuming that one race is not inherently better than another?

"we" (i assume you're referring to that terrible evil person named Society again) can't do anything. would you be happier if the crime stats were diversified?

I think these facts can be altered. And essentially that's what diversification does for people. If you bring someone out of their normal environment and into a completely different environment, that person will adjust to fit into the new environment. If people are kept clustered so as that they stay close to the same people, it would be very difficult to such trend that we see now. And that is many of the problems with segregated communities because people are separated by social economic backgrounds.

segregated communities?!? where? people can live anywhere they want to. does it surprise you that people like to live with others who are simliar? why is san fransisco so gay? why dont we disperse them since they're apparently 'segregated'? what would be the point?

If we assume that the whites are wealthier than the minorities, and if we assume that the less wealthy receives less education, and the less educated commit more violent crimes, it is easy to see why minorities commit more crimes in this situation. If we redistrubute the minorities, we can have a more "harmonious" society. Or at least not a society where one race is perceived to be a certain way.

Diversification is a synonym for Communism IMHO. Sure, it brings the bottom up, but what people fail to remember is that it brings the top down. Is it only by race? or by income too? Do we take rich black people and make them live in the trailer park? Do rich white people have to go live in the 'hood? Or is it only the rich white people (oh wait that'd be racist my bad). Diversity doesn't promote equality. Minorities don't want true equality. They want it only when it benefits them *cough* affirmative action *cough*

I'm not saying taking them out of their homes and place them randomly in white communities, I am saying to restructure cities so that there isn't a large disparity between parts of the town.

so how exactly do you go about doing this?

Then again, capitalism doesn't quite work this way,

exactly. capitalism means that everyone has the opportunity to be rich or poor. it's up to them. the white kid that's born super rich has just as much opportunity to end up homeless as the poor black kid has to end up super rich. don't confuse the likelyhood of these happening with the opportunity.

but if you think about, if you created this environment,

People are responsible for their own lives, not society. We see all too often nowadays people who go out and commit a crime and then blame everyone else for driving them to commit it.

then why are you bitching?

I'm 'bitching' because of the idiots that jump to call anyone and everyone racist, and don't think about things objectively.

[Psykopath]

tell me what makes you think i'm a racist

You simplify things to the bottom line of black and white, when it is just not that simple. Many shades of gray when it comes to causes of crime. Being black doesn't inherently mean CRIMINAL!!! just like being white doesn't inherently mean SAINT!!!

Your post above broadened out a little bit, props to you.

[impala454]

You simplify things to the bottom line of black and white, when it is just not that simple. Many shades of gray when it comes to causes of crime. Being black doesn't inherently mean CRIMINAL!!! just like being white doesn't inherently mean SAINT!!!

right, and i dont think that way. will i be a little more anxious if i'm walkin in downtown houston and see a black guy coming towards me vs a white guy... yeah. but i don't think that makes me a racist.

[Inferia]

No, society doesn't force people to do anything, but it does restricts people from doing certain things. Lots of communities are segregated based on income level, and many minorities are poor so they live in the poorer regions of the communities. It's not exactly so called forced, but it's not like the poor people can just say, I want to live with the rich people because I like it there better. I'm not saying that we should make people live somewhere, but a lot of these things can be avoided with better city planning. If you build all the big houses in one region, then chances are, you're gonna get a bunch of rich people cuz chances are poor people can't afford it. If you intersperse more affordable housing within the large houses, then poor people (and I'm not talking about minorities here, but poor people) can move into those neighborhoods. Capitalism doesn't mean you have the same opportunity of being rich or poor. It means anyone can be poor or rich, but a rich kid has much, much more opportunity of staying rich than a poor kid becoming rich. I don't know. I don't feel like arguing this, I just feel like we live in a society, not exactly as individuals. Our friends and environment has a strong effect on the type of person we turn out to be.

And I never called you a racist. Narrow minded maybe. =P

[impala454]

No, society doesn't force people to do anything, but it does restricts people from doing certain things.

like what though?

Lots of communities are segregated based on income level,

absolutely false. there are zero regulations regarding income level and where a person lives. if you want to perceive one, that's fine.

and many minorities are poor

now who's stereotyping?

so they live in the poorer regions of the communities.

does this not make sense? that poor people live in poor regions?

It's not exactly so called forced, but it's not like the poor people can just say, I want to live with the rich people because I like it there better.

and should a poor person be able to say that? or should they have to work hard and earn their way to it?

I'm not saying that we should make people live somewhere, but a lot of these things can be avoided with better city planning. If you build all the big houses in one region, then chances are, you're gonna get a bunch of rich people cuz chances are poor people can't afford it. If you intersperse more affordable housing within the large houses, then poor people (and I'm not talking about minorities here, but poor people) can move into those neighborhoods.

absolutely preposterous. like i said before, this is communism. you can't build communities this way. it wouldn't benefit any poor people, and it would penalize the people who live in nicer communities. property values would plummet for those with nice houses, and property values (ie property taxes) for the poor would skyrocket.

Capitalism doesn't mean you have the same opportunity of being rich or poor. It means anyone can be poor or rich, but a rich kid has much, much more opportunity of staying rich than a poor kid becoming rich.

I explained this already.. the opportunity is exactly the same. There's not a damn thing on this earth that prevents a poor person from becoming rich. We don't have laws that say it's illegal for a person to become successful. Hell, if anything, the opportunity for a % change in living standards is higher the poorer you are. Our country gives handouts to poor people like crazy and will even pay for the majority of their school! The only thing we can't do more is force the people to go.

I don't know. I don't feel like arguing this,

heh... sure ya do dont take my nazi quote stringing the wrong way... it's just easier to respond that way

I just feel like we live in a society, not exactly as individuals. Our friends and environment has a strong effect on the type of person we turn out to be.

well of course, but you're not bound to those effects by anyone but yourself.

And I never called you a racist.

i know... i didn't mean to implicate you if i did.

Narrow minded maybe. =P

bah! i'm perfectly open minded, to ideas that make sense. i still stand by the idea that the single best group of people that can help poor people is themselves. i have known people who came from extremely ghetto areas of houston that did well in their public school, did their homework in learning about and getting financial aid, and went to texas tech via a grayhound bus. i've also known people who have had everything handed to them on a silver platter, went to college and failed out, and are closing in on 30 with a crap job and will probably end up as a net decrease from their original standard of living.

all it takes is will (or lack therof), there's nothing our government or society does to hold them back.

[Oasis]

I absolutely hate agreeing with Chuck, but he's right.

A greater number of crimes are committed by minorities - mainly African Americans or Mexicans - relative to the size of the population and the percentage of minorities in that population. I don't feel the need to find statistics to back this up. When I turn on the local Lubbock news and see that on average, 75% of violent crimes have a prime suspect named Ramirez or Gonzalez, that tells me something. And no, that's not White America singling out minorities because this country is racist, that's the minorities themselves committing the crimes.

I don't care what the reason is - be it socioeconomic, family life, upbringing, whatever. I am well aware that most minorities are in a lower economic class than white people. But the fact is, taking into account population variables, minorities commit more violent crime than white people. It probably has to do more with the fact that most violent crimes are committed by people of a lower economic class, but considering on average, minorities are in a lower economic class, that in turn means more violent crimes are committed by minorities. Sorry, it's true. On the other hand, most white collar crimes (fraud, money laundering, etc) are probably committed by white people, since a higher percentage of white people are middle-upper class, and those are middle-upper class type crimes.

Stop playing the damn "you're a racist!" card. It's stupid and ignorant. No one has said all minorities are criminals. No one has said merely being a minority makes you more prone to commit crime.

[Jim]

I absolutely hate agreeing with Chuck, but he's right.

A greater number of crimes are committed by minorities - mainly African Americans or Mexicans - relative to the size of the population and the percentage of minorities in that population. I don't feel the need to find statistics to back this up. When I turn on the local Lubbock news and see that on average, 75% of violent crimes have a prime suspect named Ramirez or Gonzalez, that tells me something. And no, that's not White America singling out minorities because this country is racist, that's the minorities themselves committing the crimes.

I don't care what the reason is - be it socioeconomic, family life, upbringing, whatever. I am well aware that most minorities are in a lower economic class than white people. But the fact is, taking into account population variables, minorities commit more violent crime than white people. It probably has to do more with the fact that most violent crimes are committed by people of a lower economic class, but considering on average, minorities are in a lower economic class, that in turn means more violent crimes are committed by minorities. Sorry, it's true. On the other hand, most white collar crimes (fraud, money laundering, etc) are probably committed by white people, since a higher percentage of white people are middle-upper class, and those are middle-upper class type crimes.

Stop playing the damn "you're a racist!" card. It's stupid and ignorant. No one has said all minorities are criminals. No one has said merely being a minority makes you more prone to commit crime.

Agree.

I don't think it's a coincidence that there are hardly any crimes up here in Valparaiso, IN and that it's 93% white here.

[Oasis]

Then again, you don't see Mexicans going on multi state mass murder sprees like that redneck white trash fuck Paul Devoe. Probably cause their '76 Gremlin wouldn't make it more than 70 miles without breaking down