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post Aug 9 2007, 03:02 PM
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QUOTE (impala454 @ Aug 9 2007, 03:15 PM) *
where does it say that fighting is against the rules? funny, i see bench clearing brawls where the game continues. you're a lousy devil's advocate.

steroids have been illegal since 1990. they're illegal whether you take them inside or outside the ballpark. no, it was not in the baseball rulebook at the time. the writers of the rulebook probably didn't think they'd have to put in a copy of state & federal law as 'baseball rules'.

and to you losers who think this was ok: if it was so ok and within the rules and honorable practice, how come these assholes won't come clean about it?


Yet ejections happen when there is a bench clearing brawl...not just a bench clearing. There are fines that are handed down after the fact, too.

Why don't they come clean? Duh, using steroids is against the law. They can go to jail for it.

Go back to arguing about technology. At least you're good at that.


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post Aug 9 2007, 03:09 PM
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QUOTE (James @ Aug 9 2007, 04:02 PM) *
Yet ejections happen when there is a bench clearing brawl...not just a bench clearing. There are fines that are handed down after the fact, too.

Why don't they come clean? Duh, using steroids is against the law. They can go to jail for it.

Go back to arguing about technology. At least you're good at that.

you can't go to jail for admitting doing something in the past. and they sure as hell dont ever fine or eject every player on the field involved in the fight.

go back to sucking barry bond's cock. at least you're good at that.
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post Aug 9 2007, 03:15 PM
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Yes you can. It's called a confession. Not every player on the field involved in the fight is an instigator or actively swinging; some are trying to pull their teammates off or just standing alongside out of comradarie (sp?).

I don't recall ever saying I liked Barry Bonds. Please, point out where I said that. Hell, point out where I even implied it.


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post Aug 9 2007, 03:21 PM
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QUOTE (James @ Aug 9 2007, 04:15 PM) *
Yes you can. It's called a confession.

you can't be arrested from a confession about doing steroids 10 years ago.

QUOTE (James @ Aug 9 2007, 04:15 PM) *
Not every player on the field involved in the fight is an instigator or actively swinging; some are trying to pull their teammates off or just standing alongside out of comradarie (sp?).

they don't boot everyone because they need people on the field to continue the game.

QUOTE (James @ Aug 9 2007, 04:15 PM) *
I don't recall ever saying I liked Barry Bonds. Please, point out where I said that. Hell, point out where I even implied it.

coulda fooled me. you said steriods aren't against the rules of baseball, which is actually completely wrong anyways. if you're defending steroids you're defending barry.
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post Aug 9 2007, 03:44 PM
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QUOTE (impala454 @ Aug 9 2007, 03:57 PM) *
but it's not a level playing field.


That's what I said, you moron. It isn't a level playing field with steroids or without steroids. Do you not read what people say, or do you have some sort of problem with comprehension?


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steroids do have an adverse affect and they are illegal.


THEY WERE NOT ILLEGAL UP UNTIL 2003 IN BASEBALL. There was no drug testing, nor was there any punishment for taking them. That is fact. Only you could manage to argue with facts.

Federal law has nothing to do with the rules of baseball.


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post Aug 9 2007, 03:51 PM
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QUOTE (Oasis @ Aug 9 2007, 04:44 PM) *
That's what I said, you moron. It isn't a level playing field with steroids or without steroids. Do you not read what people say, or do you have some sort of problem with comprehension?

if it didn't take you 45 lines of text to get your point across maybe i'd read your whole post wink.gif do you have some sort of problem with writing composition?

QUOTE (Oasis @ Aug 9 2007, 04:44 PM) *
THEY WERE NOT ILLEGAL UP UNTIL 2003 IN BASEBALL. There was no drug testing, nor was there any punishment for taking them. That is fact. Only you could manage to argue with facts.

Federal law has nothing to do with the rules of baseball.

So it's ok to break federal law as long as you play baseball? "Oh officer, you can't arrest me, I'm a baseball player".
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post Aug 9 2007, 04:13 PM
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I'm saying it was NOT A PUNISHABLE OFFENSE. I'm not arguing morality or federal law here.

Both the MLB and the Player's union turned a blind eye to steroids and indirectly promoted their use because it was beneficial to them. MLBPA did not want steroid testing. Selig didn't care because steroids were helping his bottom line. Only when Congress came in and threatened to go after the Player's Union with antitrust legislation did they start to care.


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post Aug 9 2007, 07:24 PM
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I know why they looked the other way, but IMO it still taints the records.
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post Aug 9 2007, 08:11 PM
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honestly,

there were plenty of ways for Ruth to cheat, and Mays, and i once read somewhere that germans used steroids in some ways as early as WW1.

i think that bonds deserves to have the record, no asterisk or anything



because we haven't proven anything. everone says that its "obvious" but i don't convict because espn and other news sources have underpaid analysts who never really played the game saying that bonds definitively used steroids



and you can say that its obvious, but personally, i know i've got a fraction of the evidence and he hasn't been convicted so I'm going with innocent until proven guilty
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post Aug 10 2007, 08:28 AM
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QUOTE (Epic @ Aug 9 2007, 09:11 PM) *
i think that bonds deserves to have the record, no asterisk or anything
because we haven't proven anything. everone says that its "obvious" but i don't convict because espn and other news sources have underpaid analysts who never really played the game saying that bonds definitively used steroids
and you can say that its obvious, but personally, i know i've got a fraction of the evidence and he hasn't been convicted so I'm going with innocent until proven guilty

bonds admitted to using the stuff, just claimed "he didn't know what it was" which is horseshit. that statement carries about as much weight as sammy sosa saying he "accidentally grabbed the wrong bat".
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post Aug 10 2007, 11:16 AM
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i just think bonds is an ass, he never seems happy
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post Aug 10 2007, 11:37 AM
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yeah that little tantrum he threw after being 0-30 or whatever was hilarious. like a little child "waaaah I don't fucking deserve to wear this fucking uniform blah blah".
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post Sep 26 2007, 11:45 AM
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laugh.gif LOLOLOL bond's 756 ball gets an asterisk printed on it before going to the baseball hall of fame... effin awesome
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?i...e=ESPNHeadlines
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post Sep 26 2007, 01:29 PM
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and they're still happy to be receiving it. strange.
i personally hold the innocent until guilty stance, and have no negative opinion of bonds, but whatever.


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post Sep 26 2007, 01:41 PM
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Yeah, how dare he do something in the past that wasn't against the rules of baseball.


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