Michael Vick, police investigation Options

[Epic]

can't understand their viewpoint? fine, don't insult them because of your lack of understanding from where they come from.

and wtf is wrong with me? probably a lot, and no i'm not torturing animals and i won't ever. I just don't delineate murder. again and again and again, that's my argument.

and moral dilemmas versus other moral questions, yeah, i know, and i never said the punishment should be the same, only that if we are suddenly going to strictly be legalistic, then why aren't we being legalistic? we all choose laws we agree with, but that doesn't mean that you then get a free ticket to decide which ones you should follow. because people will disagree with your decisions, and ultimately, they will feel you should go to jail too.

[Testm0nkey]

blue you are so off track and youre backpeddling. nice how you picked out my first generalized statement as the one to say i was being insulting to people out of several other posters



I think Vick isnt going to have a career anymore. At least in Atlanta and at least as a quarterback. He's no longer marketable and im sure there will be a few boycotts of games or whatever merchandise he can get. just the fact they barred him from practice tells people this. barred him in addition to start of practice and his court dates coinciding

[Epic]

believe what you want, i'm not here to convince you.

i'm not backpedalling, i'm just trying to spell it out pretty simply, that I decided long ago that if i supported a woman's right to choose, i should also not oppose the death penalty, the use of force in war, and the killing of animals.

its pretty basic to me, and to a great degree i understand that this is horrible. i saw the pictures of the dog shot with a crossbow and it made me sad. but i honestly still don't feel that vick should be sent up the river to rot in prison and for everyone to judge him because he did something that you don't agree with when we all do things others don't like every day.

but then again, you are ok with having exceptions and difference in your reasoning and ethics, that's cool, its your thing. we're allowed to be different.

and i've thought my position on this out carefully, so it isn't an uneducated decision. you have your opinion, i'll have mine. in the end, we're both going to forget about this and still do our own normal things.

this was fun, but i'm off to a retreat. maybe if you're lucky i'll swallow a knife like you suggested.

[Testm0nkey]

oh come on dont be such a pussy sour. go swallow a knife is hilarious. i dont even remember directing it at anyone. was not made in anger or frustration

saying "fuck you Donatello you are shit" is offensive and immature and things like that happen often enough on this board

[impala454]

so impala the media frenzy that is hyped up whenever a pitbull hurts someone is the only evidence you need to convict an entire breed?

yep. for the same reason people shouldn't have lions and tigers and bears (oh my) as pets.

so you really hate black people dont you? i mean watch the news dude.
thats severe but im tired

you must be tired, bc i have no clue how you arrived at this.

[impala454]

yes i cant understand people who disagree with this issue. wtf is wrong with you

i dont think there's many that do disagree with vick getting indicted. what pisses me off is that I friggin see it on the news/newspaper/radio/sportscenter all the damn time.

[James]

Here, let me stir things up some more.

I support the dog fighting and would pay to see it. Bring on the violence!

[James]

*stirring*

[Testm0nkey]

i was saying you (impala) hate pitbulls because the media portrays them in a bad light. black men are also portrayed this way in the media. so it wouldnt be far off to say, strictly logically, that you hate black men

my point is you opinion is stupid


lolllllllllllllllllllls omg bring on the internet police
(james i dont think anyone was mad)

[impala454]

black men are not portrayed as bad in the media. they're showed on the news because they're the ones commiting crimes. crime does not have a tendency to be diversified the way all you hippies want it to be. and i don't hate black people or pitt bulls. i just don't believe pit bills should be pets, as all the attacks have proved that they're not truly domesticated.

[JRockTTU]

i initially posted in here just for my amusement, but another thought.

i hope that all of you who are all up in arms about the dog fighting are some hardcore fucking vegetarians or vegans.

i spent 3 weeks working at a slaughter house. i've butchered more than my fair share of chickens, pigs, goats, and sheep because people want to eat them. none of it is "humane" and in the big picture, its still killing for amusement. you could get by without eating meat, i've done it, countless others do it for their entire lives. killing for enjoyment because you love the meat.

and you know what? there's nothing wrong with it in my opinion.

and yes, its all the same to me. at least in a dog fight the dogs get to fight back! fucking a, if i've got to go down, you can bet your ass i'm doing so swinging. in hunting and slaughtering, the animal never has a choice and never knows what's going on.

so if dog fighting is ooooh so wrong, you better oppose the death penalty, all meat slaughtering, whaling, ABORTION, war, righteous war, justifiable war, and fucking violent imagery.

just because dogs are domesticated and make great pets doesn't give them some distinct right above all other things.

since i've already been called unintelligent for my views, if you make divisions between various forms of murder, then by all means continue to hide behind your self actualized "I need to feel better about myself" existential masturbation because you're only fooling yourself.

I see a difference in dog fighting and slaughtering animals for food because the end result of the cow being killed is me putting food on my table to eat, the dog fight results in Paco winning $300 and a dead dog. I'm not a moralist that is saying that dog fighters should be hung (even though I do find dog fights to be downright barbaric and disgusting) but I think we can agree that it's more wrong than it is right on the moral compass.

a woman has the conscious ability to reflect upon her choice to get an abortion and can forsee how her choice will affect her life. dogs are FORCED into those situations yet they can still feel the effects ie pain, torture. a dog cant reflect upon his life and say no he doesnt want to fight for whatever reason. he is pervertedly bred to do so. how the fuck is that the same. go back to school

and in your experience in slaughterhouses (when did this happen?) and hunting did you routinely string up the live animals and choke them to death? did you by chance slam a baby nursing deer into the ground and stomp on its head till it died? no? then its not the same. i dont remember electrocution being the routine proceed for slaughtering beef
if yes you deserve to be in jail and will most likely end up there

and violent imagery? wtf. you arent causing direct harm with a violent image or movie and so many outside environmental and biological forces are at play when a person is influenced by it. so yes thats exactly like killing an animal with your bareheads for no reason other than to kill it

I have a MAJOR disagreement with you here. Your rationalization is that dog fighting is bad because the dogs can't choose to fight, but abortion is okay because the MOTHER can decide? I know it's a tough decision for a future mother (should be anyways) but the mother isn't the one that is being killed here. By your logic abortion is bad because the unborn child doesn't have a choice.

[Testm0nkey]

unborn fetus isnt a child and that isnt my only thinking for why dog fighting is bad

[cupcake]

since i've already been called unintelligent for my views, if you make divisions between various forms of murder, then by all means continue to hide behind your self actualized "I need to feel better about myself" existential masturbation because you're only fooling yourself.

did you write that because "existential masturbation" reads really cool?

"murder" is simply one type of killing. that is a fact.

so let's use "killing"...killing is like an onion. there are many types and causes of deaths. some are altruistic, some are necessary, some are evil, others are vengeful yet justified, et cetera...but the most common motivation for killing is that of self-sustainment.

how anyone can say that dog fighting to the death for purposes of entertainment and human betting is the same as the processing of animals for meat is beyond my scope of logical reasoning.

don't lecture about murder simply because you worked in a slaughterhouse. you didn't murder anything, morrissey. you processed.

[2wolUTT]

[blaarg]

Vick is fucked...

http://www.inrich.com/cva/ric/news.apx.-co...08-17-0224.html

Michael Vick, trying to avoid a long prison term and keep alive hopes of playing for the NFL, is quickly running out of scrambling room.

Two co-defendants, Quanis L. Phillips and Purnell A. Peace, pleaded guilty this morning to charges of conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce in aid of illegal gambling and dogfighting. A third, Tony Taylor, pleaded guilty last month.

Under the terms of their deals, each man is likely required to testify against Vick, if needed.

Vick, like the others, pleaded not guilty last month. He must decide today whether to reverse himself or face more charges. He has been offered a deal to serve 12 to 18 months in prison, though that would be up to Judge Henry E. Hudson who could sentence him to up to five years, sources say.

Phlllips, 28, of Atlanta, and Peace, 35, of Virginia Beach, pleaded guilty before Hudson this morning and are to be sentenced Nov. 30. Taylor, 34, of Hampton, pleaded guilty last month and in a statement said that Vick bankrolled Bad Newz Kennels on property he owned in Smithfield.

Last month a 19-page federal indictment accuses the men of participating in the dogfighting operation. Thousands of dollars were waged on the fights, and a number of dogs deemed unfit for fighting were allegedly put to death by electrocution and other violent means.

The investigation began after an April 25 search of Vick's property at 1915 Moonlight Road discovered 66 dogs, including 55 pit bulls, and equipment that could be used to train fighting dogs.

Vick, 27, of Atlanta, also known as "Ookie," is a Newport News native and quarterback of the Atlanta Falcons. He was also a star quarterback at Virginia Tech. He bought property in Surry County in 2001 and established Bad Newz Kennels, according to the indictment.

Phillips' bond was revoked and he was taken into custody because drugs were detected in a urine test since he was arraigned last month.

Phillips has had two prior convictions for distribution of drugs and a conviction for possessing drugs.

Peace was allowed to remain free pending sentencing.