Michael Vick, police investigation Options

[impala454]

You really are retarded... interesting..

perhaps a Conan movie style slave fight for useles humans beings (such as yourself) is in order to get rid of the worthless for entertainment value...

It'd be "cool"

so you think human being = dog. now who's retarded

[2wolUTT]

lynch his monkey ass.

[THECHICKEN]

so you think human being = dog. now who's retarded

Still you apparently

[Testm0nkey]

impala is the one that said dog fighting is the same as hunting

[Epic]

i initially posted in here just for my amusement, but another thought.

i hope that all of you who are all up in arms about the dog fighting are some hardcore fucking vegetarians or vegans.

i spent 3 weeks working at a slaughter house. i've butchered more than my fair share of chickens, pigs, goats, and sheep because people want to eat them. none of it is "humane" and in the big picture, its still killing for amusement. you could get by without eating meat, i've done it, countless others do it for their entire lives. killing for enjoyment because you love the meat.

and you know what? there's nothing wrong with it in my opinion.

and yes, its all the same to me. at least in a dog fight the dogs get to fight back! fucking a, if i've got to go down, you can bet your ass i'm doing so swinging. in hunting and slaughtering, the animal never has a choice and never knows what's going on.

so if dog fighting is ooooh so wrong, you better oppose the death penalty, all meat slaughtering, whaling, ABORTION, war, righteous war, justifiable war, and fucking violent imagery.

just because dogs are domesticated and make great pets doesn't give them some distinct right above all other things.

since i've already been called unintelligent for my views, if you make divisions between various forms of murder, then by all means continue to hide behind your self actualized "I need to feel better about myself" existential masturbation because you're only fooling yourself.

[Testm0nkey]

a woman has the conscious ability to reflect upon her choice to get an abortion and can forsee how her choice will affect her life. dogs are FORCED into those situations yet they can still feel the effects ie pain, torture. a dog cant reflect upon his life and say no he doesnt want to fight for whatever reason. he is pervertedly bred to do so. how the fuck is that the same. go back to school

and in your experience in slaughterhouses (when did this happen?) and hunting did you routinely string up the live animals and choke them to death? did you by chance slam a baby nursing deer into the ground and stomp on its head till it died? no? then its not the same. i dont remember electrocution being the routine proceed for slaughtering beef
if yes you deserve to be in jail and will most likely end up there

and violent imagery? wtf. you arent causing direct harm with a violent image or movie and so many outside environmental and biological forces are at play when a person is influenced by it. so yes thats exactly like killing an animal with your bareheads for no reason other than to kill it

[impala454]

impala is the one that said dog fighting is the same as hunting

uh, i never said that.

i think dog fighting is bad.

i hate pit bulls

what i said was, let the pit bulls kill each other off so they dont bite little kids legs off.

[impala454]

Still you apparently

haha ok... when the building is on fire and the firefighter can save you or your dog, i hope he takes the dog then.

[Testm0nkey]

confused you for blue

so impala the media frenzy that is hyped up whenever a pitbull hurts someone is the only evidence you need to convict an entire breed? so you really hate black people dont you? i mean watch the news dude.
thats severe but im tired

[Epic]

so a woman has a right to kill because she's reflective, that's a great one

what i'm arguing here is the crux of our disagreement. you view there are different kinds of murder. I say there are not. there are different kinds of harms in my ethics, however, murder is murder, and that's the hill that i'll die on. you can disagree with me, but i never entered into this until i saw you personally attacking people for disagreeing with you. agree with me or fuck off and die, mentalities are pretty immature as far as i'm concerned.

and i worked at the Pace Packing slaughter house when I was 16 in Sweetwater, the only business within walking distance that didn't require you to be 18 to work there. and the cows were taken care of with bolt guns to the head. and just because we didn't "stir them up" doesn't mean that it wasn't murder.

and as far as the legality on "you should go to jail" and you feeling Vick should too...ever done anything illegal? I'm pretty sure I've seen you drunk as a minor so, better go fess up because illegal is illegal.

oooh wait, i guess getting drunk is a different kind of illegal versus harming animals. sure they are differently severe, but if you're going ot be a fucking legalist about this, at least be consistent.





but i'm not here to convince you, but just because someone doesn't agree with you, that isn't a mark of their intelligence.

[Testm0nkey]

new in the news today

Vick co-defendant cuts deal
Tony Taylor pleads guilty, will cooperate with Feds

By JEREMY REDMON
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 07/30/07

RICHMOND, Va. – One of Falcons quarterback Michael Vick's co-defendants in the federal dog fighting case reversed himself and plead guilty today as part of a deal with prosecutors, a troubling sign for Vick's legal defense.

Tony Taylor, who along with Vick pleaded not guilty to the charges just four days ago, agreed this morning to cooperate with federal prosecutors in their case against Vick and two other co-defendants, Purnell Peace(cq) and Quanis Phillips.

Judge Henry E. Hudson set Taylor's sentencing date for Dec. 14. Vick, Peace and Phillips' trial date is still set for Nov. 26 before Hudson.

Taylor and his attorney, Stephen A. Hudgins, declined to comment as they left the courthouse this morning. A spokesman for Vick said he needed to consult with one of Vick's four attorneys before he could make a statement.

A federal grand jury indicted Taylor, Vick and the two others on a single count of conspiring to violate three laws: the interstate travel act by crossing state lines to engage in illegal gambling; sponsoring a dog in an animal fighting venture; and buying, transporting and receiving dogs for animal fighting.

Taylor pleaded guilty this morning to conspiring to travel in interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities and to sponsor a dog in an animal fighting venture. He faces up to five years in prison and $250,000 in fines.

The 18-page indictment says the four men set up a business called "Bad Newz Kennels" in rural Surry County, Va. to raise and train pit bulls for dogfights. The men gambled on the fights in Virginia and several other states, the indictment says.

Federal prosecutors revealed additional details about their case in a 13-page statement of facts they filed with Taylor?s plea agreement today. The statement says Vick almost exclusively funded the dog-fighting operation and gambling monies. It also says the proceeds from their gambling wins were split by Taylor, Phillips and Peace.

Taylor used a large portion of his money for living expenses, the statement says, because he devoted his time to caring for and training the pit bulls. The gambling wins also were funneled back into the dog fighting operation, to pay for food, medicine and supplies, according federal prosecutors. Taylor left the business after a disagreement with Phillips and others in September of 2004, according to the statement of facts.

At Vick and Taylor's arraignment Thursday, federal prosecutors announced they would be seeking a "superceding" indictment before the end of August, meaning they could identify additional charges or defendants in the case. Coincidentally or not, Taylor's plea hearing showed up on Hudson's schedule the following day.

Taylor played a key role in the operation in May of 2001, federal prosecutors say, by identifying the Surry County property as a suitable location for housing and training the dogs. Vick bought the property the following month. After they set up their business, the four men boldly used shirts and headbands to represent and promote their dog fighting operation, the indictment says.

At various times, the men executed dogs they didn't think would fight well by gruesome means, including hanging and drowning, according to federal prosecutors. In 2002, for example, Taylor executed at least two dogs by shooting one and electrocuting the other, the indictment says.

Vick figures prominently in the indictment. It says the ex-Virginia Tech football star, who now has a $130 million contract with the Falcons, sponsored dogs in fights with purses as low as $3,000, according to the indictment.

Authorities said they found numerous dog fighting-related items on his property in Surry County, including sheds and kennels, treadmills used to condition dogs and a "break" used to pry open a dog's mouth during fights. They also found 54 pit bulls on Vick's property, some of which had scars and other injuries they said were consistent with dogfights.

Vick received more bad news over the last several days. Last week, Nike suspended Vick's endorsement contract without pay and Reebok halted sales of jerseys bearing his name.

dogfights are illegal in most states and probably soon or in the near future in all. so you got a couple of hundred years of a taboo culture and illegality to support anti dog fighting

[Epic]

i don't see anybody in here supporting dog fighting, i never said, and i don't think impala ever said, that we would pay, support, begin, or be a part of.

again, i just feel we're being inconsistent and that people are making a hugely complicated situation out of something that shouldn't be so severely attended. we've got much bigger problems than dog fighting.

[Oasis]

we've got much bigger problems than dog fighting.

Like what? Lindsay Lohan getting arrested again?

[Testm0nkey]

yes i cant understand people who disagree with this issue. wtf is wrong with you

there are levels to crime. moral dilemas. a man who steals a loaf of bread because his kids are starving should face the same punishment as a man who steals 5 cars and uses them in the transportation of drugs across the border? that level of moral development is pretty low. morals and laws arent black and white. being concrete to such an extent wouldnt be justice

[Epic]

well lindsey's popularity is directly tied to my self worth.