I want to murder these people. Options

[James]

I think yall need a group hug!

[impala454]

When I rejoined Techsans, I promised myself I wouldn't start name calling. After reading this thread, I can't help myself.

Dogmeat and Impala, both of you are fucking idiots.

Environmental awareness isn't a fucking political issue. At least, it shouldn't be. I'm about as conservative as they come and even I'm aware our environment has problems. Sure, these "ecosexual" guys are extreme. Who cares? At least their intentions are good. And to insinuate that they're bad people because a few nutjobs vandalize Hummers is about as ignorant as saying all Christians are bad people because a few extremists like the Westboro Baptist Church clan rally for the extermination of gay people (or whatever bullshit they rally for). Impala, I've seen you jump to the defense of Christianity numerous times after someone posts a story about a few psychos blowing up abortion clinics or whatever. So please, try not to be completely two faced by using extreme examples of other groups to discredit their cause. And Dogmeat, just because you don't agree with this group's cause doesn't mean they're "fucking clueless and shouldn't be allowed to vote." Helping the environment is a lot more noble than most of the bullshit causes the Republican party pushes

If you think environmental awareness is not a political issue you're nuts.

I didn't mark all enviromentalists as hummer vandalizers. I posted a link I thought was funny. But they DO attempt to control our everyday lives by trying to bring down regulations on us. Their mindset isn't just to go about their daily lives and be greener, their mindset is to scowl at every damn person on the planet with a bigger vehicle. their mindset is to follow everyone else around and want to control every little aspect of their lives because they think it'll save some bunny in the woods. If someone wants to be more concious of what they do to the environment, it sure doesn't hurt my feelings, but they can take their green shit and shove it up their ass when they're tryin to force it on me.

And I "jump to the defense of" Christianity because it's pathetic how people hate on it so much for no reason. If you want to call me two faced because I defend what I believe in go ahead. But comparing what Christians do to what the treehuggers do doesn't make sense. The treehuggers try to force their shit on you. Christians don't (and yes you dipshits go ahead and come back with your "waah but the mormans come to my door twice a year!", because I know that's all you've got) (and I also don't want to turn this into another Christian debate, keep it on the subject of stupid treehuggers tryin to take away our V8s).

[Dogmeat]

When I rejoined Techsans, I promised myself I wouldn't start name calling. After reading this thread, I can't help myself.

Dogmeat and Impala, both of you are fucking idiots.

Environmental awareness isn't a fucking political issue. At least, it shouldn't be. I'm about as conservative as they come and even I'm aware our environment has problems. Sure, these "ecosexual" guys are extreme. Who cares? At least their intentions are good. And to insinuate that they're bad people because a few nutjobs vandalize Hummers is about as ignorant as saying all Christians are bad people because a few extremists like the Westboro Baptist Church clan rally for the extermination of gay people (or whatever bullshit they rally for). Impala, I've seen you jump to the defense of Christianity numerous times after someone posts a story about a few psychos blowing up abortion clinics or whatever. So please, try not to be completely two faced by using extreme examples of other groups to discredit their cause. And Dogmeat, just because you don't agree with this group's cause doesn't mean they're "fucking clueless and shouldn't be allowed to vote." Helping the environment is a lot more noble than most of the bullshit causes the Republican party pushes

not even bothering

[Psykopath]

When I rejoined Techsans, I promised myself I wouldn't start name calling. After reading this thread, I can't help myself.

Dogmeat and Impala, both of you are fucking idiots.

Environmental awareness isn't a fucking political issue. At least, it shouldn't be. I'm about as conservative as they come and even I'm aware our environment has problems. Sure, these "ecosexual" guys are extreme. Who cares? At least their intentions are good. And to insinuate that they're bad people because a few nutjobs vandalize Hummers is about as ignorant as saying all Christians are bad people because a few extremists like the Westboro Baptist Church clan rally for the extermination of gay people (or whatever bullshit they rally for). Impala, I've seen you jump to the defense of Christianity numerous times after someone posts a story about a few psychos blowing up abortion clinics or whatever. So please, try not to be completely two faced by using extreme examples of other groups to discredit their cause. And Dogmeat, just because you don't agree with this group's cause doesn't mean they're "fucking clueless and shouldn't be allowed to vote." Helping the environment is a lot more noble than most of the bullshit causes the Republican party pushes

So, yeah...

Next time I'm in Austin, I'm buying you a beer.

[impala454]

will is officially a treehugger now!

[Seeker]

will is officially a treehugger now!

no, he's just using common sense now

will impala take an example from will??

[Testm0nkey]

and you know this because you live in the hamptons?

i dont think you have to have lived in the hamptons to understand the people there represent far from the majority in any idea or sentiment and that maybe just maybe they are on the more hobnobby/fashionista side of things

[FORSAKENR320]

If you think environmental awareness is not a political issue you're nuts.

I didn't mark all enviromentalists as hummer vandalizers. I posted a link I thought was funny. But they DO attempt to control our everyday lives by trying to bring down regulations on us. Their mindset isn't just to go about their daily lives and be greener, their mindset is to scowl at every damn person on the planet with a bigger vehicle. their mindset is to follow everyone else around and want to control every little aspect of their lives because they think it'll save some bunny in the woods. If someone wants to be more concious of what they do to the environment, it sure doesn't hurt my feelings, but they can take their green shit and shove it up their ass when they're tryin to force it on me.

And I "jump to the defense of" Christianity because it's pathetic how people hate on it so much for no reason. If you want to call me two faced because I defend what I believe in go ahead. But comparing what Christians do to what the treehuggers do doesn't make sense. The treehuggers try to force their shit on you. Christians don't (and yes you dipshits go ahead and come back with your "waah but the mormans come to my door twice a year!", because I know that's all you've got) (and I also don't want to turn this into another Christian debate, keep it on the subject of stupid treehuggers tryin to take away our V8s).

christians force feed their religion and morality on you everywhere. but i gotta agree with will on this one. you're being very 2 faced on the issue. but, i'm only agreeing with him that you're hypocritical. i agree with YOU AND DOGMEAT because i don't approve of anyone force feeding their self rightious and over bearing bullshit on anyone.

[THECHICKEN]

Wanting to not pollute the earth is not an extremist view. However doing things at an EXTREME level is when you lose credibility. Problem is that extreme is in the eye of the beholder. If you subscribe to MLK jr. absolution through non-violent means is the only way to go, but if you are of the Malcom X belief, then you need to fight for it by any means necessary.

No matter what side you are on, if you call the other side "complete idiots" for thier view then you are the same thing. Love or hate any side, none have "pure" interests at heart. Im not Democrat or republican b/c they don't represent my views, but calling any one of the sides purely wrong or evil is naive. Republicans haven't taken away our freedoms, no matter how hard they huff and puff (thank god for our governmental system) and democrats most certainly aren't the savior we need.

Nothing is hard about saying we need to pollute less... sadly views on how or why cause the most problems

Can't we all just get naked and touch each other?

[pysex]

AMERICA


AINT IT GREAT

[impala454]

christians force feed their religion and morality on you everywhere. but i gotta agree with will on this one. you're being very 2 faced on the issue. but, i'm only agreeing with him that you're hypocritical. i agree with YOU AND DOGMEAT because i don't approve of anyone force feeding their self rightious and over bearing bullshit on anyone.

ass. what the hell am i supposed to do when you agree and disagree with me in the same post

i just personally don't see the force fed religion everywhere like you guys say. only place i see it force fed is parents -> kids, and parents force feed tons of stuff to their kids so religion isn't any different.

[impala454]

no, he's just using common sense now

will impala take an example from will??

common to treehuggers maybe

[impala454]

Wanting to not pollute the earth is not an extremist view. However doing things at an EXTREME level is when you lose credibility. Problem is that extreme is in the eye of the beholder. If you subscribe to MLK jr. absolution through non-violent means is the only way to go, but if you are of the Malcom X belief, then you need to fight for it by any means necessary.

No matter what side you are on, if you call the other side "complete idiots" for thier view then you are the same thing. Love or hate any side, none have "pure" interests at heart. Im not Democrat or republican b/c they don't represent my views, but calling any one of the sides purely wrong or evil is naive. Republicans haven't taken away our freedoms, no matter how hard they huff and puff (thank god for our governmental system) and democrats most certainly aren't the savior we need.

Nothing is hard about saying we need to pollute less... sadly views on how or why cause the most problems

Can't we all just get naked and touch each other?

I don't think anyone here thinks all treehuggers are extremists. The issue is whether or not their views effect everyone's lives, whether they agree with those view or not.

I really don't hate the planet and want to smog the place up, but I simply don't believe it's as bad as people make it out to be. The Earth is enormous, the volume of air in our atmosphere is insane, the amount of wildlife and ocean and natural, untouched areas is huge, even with 6 billion people. There has been evidence of volcanic disasters thousands of years ago which put more pollutants than all of mankind into the atmosphere, and yet the earth is still here, still beautiful, still animals roamin around.

[Testm0nkey]

every second 3 people are added to the world. most of those are in undeveloped countries like africa, india and south america. these countries havent been able to maintain their old population numbers and this is putting a very big strain on the economy, food, and the land they live on.

the population of the earth (6billion as of 1999) should DOUBLE by 2050. never before has anything been so increasing in numbers that its putting a stranglehold on the environment. america itself has a net gain of 1 person every 10 seconds.

theres been in increased atmospheric CO2 concentration in the atmosphere by 30% first started being noticed around the time of the industrial revolution (coincidence?). over 50% of terrestrial nitrogen fixations is caused by human activity (farming, fossil fuels)

about 20% of the bird species have become extinct in the last 200 years almost all because of humans
22% of fisheries are overexploited or depleted, 44% or more are at limit of exploitation. this is destroying the coast line, literally causing some of the extinctions of the worlds largest food resource.

we've already transformed or degraded 39.50% of the earths entire land surface (agriculture and urban) - and thats not a total percentage of the land humans live on just the percentage we've turned totally uninhabitable. these leads into the problem of shrinking cropland. most of the earths surface you just cant grow a lot of stuff on. now you cant grow adequate stuff on even more

water shortages. freshwater is only 3% of the earths water. acquifer rates are emptying so fast its already caused mass famine where they are needed most. the only water thats easily usable by humans is ground freshwater which is only .3% of the water on the earth. the average family of 4 in america uses about 335 gallons of water a day
and most of the water we use is waste. it literally doesnt get recycled back into the land. our irrigation systems are mostly outdated - just 1 reason for the loss

because of global warming which in its definition is the rise of avg. global temp. due to human activities, the earths temp may rise 2.4-10.4 degrees F by the end of this century making it the hottest period since the dinosaurs were alive (back then the earth was so hot because of massive volcanic activity)

the natural extinction rate of species on earth is 2-10 species per year. due to human activity the extinction rate is 1,000-10,000 times higher. most of the medicines we use today come from animals and plants most susceptible to mass extinctions due to the fact they live in rainforests and jungles.

death rates are increasing but unfortunately so are birth rates. some theorists say the emergence of aids, bird flu and the like are the earth "fighting back" so to speak. battling back for its resources and space. for example everyone hears about AIDS in Africa but actually the highest concentration of AIDS in the world is in India (4 million adults alone). AIDS numbers are raising largely in Asia and America.

TEXAS gets its water mostly from the Ogalla acquifer. we in lubbock especially get our water from this source. it covers 11% of texas. 3.3 billion acres. it would cover all 50 states with about 6 feet of water. BUT unfortunately it would take 6,000 years to refill. there are 170k wells in texas in the acquifer, 50k in NW texas alone. BUT the water level is at drastically low levels. levels that would warrant water restrictions (and lubbock has recently argued about implementing them - aside from the recent one due to a water main break). there simply wont be enough water in the acquifer for lubbock within the next 50 years. choices? lubbock purchasing water from states farther north along the acquifer where levels are still usable, ... thats really the only realistic one at the moment because desalination plants are still hugely inefficient to maintain a population and agriculture. some states have already been forced to "buy" water from other states.

the earth simply doesnt have the resources to maintain this population much less one that is supposed to double in such a short time. once a species meets its carrying capacity placed by the environment they live in and its resources there is little they can do about it except for famine, mass extinctions, epidemics. before 2050 we are going to be exceeding ours.

[Psykopath]

There has been evidence of volcanic disasters thousands of years ago which put more pollutants than all of mankind into the atmosphere, and yet the earth is still here, still beautiful, still animals roamin around.

...after it killed everything for eons.
But hey, let's do said event in man-made fashion!
SCIENCE BE DAMNED!