What will happen, when the oil is gone? Options

[Jen]

cow shit & ethanol

http://www.cnmpwatch.com/view_story.php?id=35178

Last I heard it was scheduled to be completed in late 2006.

[GhostofTHECHICKE...]

What evidence? I think in the short run we'll be fine... I think that serious innovation will need to happen in the next 50 years.

You do realize that Montana and China are considered the Saudia Arabias of coal correct? Coal-to-liquids is cleaner than biodiesel, it's cheaper in the long run to produce and your engine does not need modifications. Right now the only thing standing in the way of heavy production of the stuff is tree-huggers who don't want open pit and strip mining to occur (which it won't).

Hell, they are even going to use the bi-product, CO2, to help produce more oil from "dead" wells. Shell and China are working on the first coal-to-liquids production facility right now and Montana is set to start one as soon as they can get enough public backing.

Meh, book that gives statistics (that i dont feel like looking up on the internet), bout each of the fuel sources. Doesn't really matter, im more just looking for what everyones point of view on the subject is (if the projections of the oil running out in as little as 10 years with current consumption is remotely accurate)

[Hartmann]

Meh, book that gives statistics (that i dont feel like looking up on the internet), bout each of the fuel sources. Doesn't really matter, im more just looking for what everyones point of view on the subject is (if the projections of the oil running out in as little as 10 years with current consumption is remotely accurate)

It isn't accurate. I believe the number you are referring to does not factor in new fields (which are being discovered everyday), increases in recovery technology (we can now pull 55-65% from a well), and fuel efficient cars.

[GhostofTHECHICKE...]

It isn't accurate. I believe the number you are referring to does not factor in new fields (which are being discovered everyday), increases in recovery technology (we can now pull 55-65% from a well), and fuel efficient cars.

actually it does... takes into account discovery rates of new wells, efficiency of draining them, amount actually able to be taken out (since not every drop can be taken), and increase in consumption demands

(or at least thats what it says the info its taking for evidence says) Shows that most all estimates show how the oil allocated to the earth (taking into account the discovery rates that peaked long ago) has been used to about 50% remaining (1 trillion barrels currently having been consumed so far out of 2 trillion) Plus shows the evidence of how peak production for oil has reached its peak and has started to fall (or has been for a while, like the 70's for North American wells and such).

[Hartmann]

They said we reached peak oil in the 80's and people panicked. Turns out we hadn't...

Do you know who this paper/study was done by? I was doing some searching and all I have found is research done by the oil companies themselves, which I don't really trust. They depend on the fear of running out of oil to continue to be able to raise prices...

I am not saying we aren't running out, because we are, I just don't want to listen to a group of known manipulators (Exxon in particular)

[GhostofTHECHICKE...]

They said we reached peak oil in the 80's and people panicked. Turns out we hadn't...

Do you know who this paper/study was done by? I was doing some searching and all I have found is research done by the oil companies themselves, which I don't really trust. They depend on the fear of running out of oil to continue to be able to raise prices...

I am not saying we aren't running out, because we are, I just don't want to listen to a group of known manipulators (Exxon in particular)

book called "the long emergency" by James Howard Kunstler

if it wasn't late as hell i might crack it open to get its cites. But it goes over the former oil crisis of the past and how we simply started pumping from the north sea and how that basically let us develop a false sense of euphoria over the belief of if oil gets in trouble we can simply pump more... which today there is no new mammoth oil fields to be found (like you refered to new discoveries)... just the small ones that hardly can last a year if lucky. Goes over how all oil is believed to have peaked and even if saudia says it has excess capacity it is at 55% salt water mixture (from pumping in salt water to keep pump pressure up) and hasn't increased supply ANY of the times it has promised... only produced less.

im not saying the studies are 100% correct... just gives plenty reason why one should be concerned... hence the thread: just wanting to see what others know/ think

[woody]

we'll run out of oil, and no one will care

[TetraGrammaton C...]

i made an engine that runs on ether
it is circular and relies on revolution for lift
the center is a weighted chamber
that faces the direction of travel,
independent of the rotation

it is worth several billion dollars
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