Tech student shot, killed in Tech Terrace neighborhood Options

[James]

Good question. Don't watch local news. Lubbockonline.com hasn't done a follow-up either.

[Billy]

I agree with Impala.

Darwin award for the intruder.

[FORSAKENR320]

well yeah... hindsight is 20/20. if it's 3:45 AM, pitch black and someone comes into your house and doesn't heed your warnings, taking time to learn about the situation could get you and your family killed. if this situation happened 100 times, how many times is it a drunk kid in the wrong house vs a drugged up armed robber? two extra seconds to flip the light on? I'd have to say I'd never give the guy that much time, although like you said it's easy to armchair QB it.

well, like you said, you've never been in that situation, so i understand why you view this. but to people like me and cupcake, who have actually had to pull steel on someone, our reaction is the exact opposite. having my piece drawn and aimed is enough for me. if the guy makes a hostile move.... it's alot easier for me to squeeze a finger than for him to dive for a weapon in his waist/pants/whatever. maintaining calm underfire is another thing. it's not something you learn about until it happens, but after you've been through it... in a situation like this, i would feel as if i had all the time in the world to get the result i wanted out of that situation. but not everyone has had cupcake and my experience, so our views are probably skewed out of the normal perspective on this.

[FORSAKENR320]

but this isn't the military. this is a private home. you know whether or not someone is supposed to be in your own house, and if you give someone verbal warning and still don't leave, it shouldn't matter if you can identify them. a real intruder would not follow your colonel's rule #4. many people would be too scared to flip on all the lights or put a flashlight on their gun (which immediately gives away their location to the intruder). and like I said, if this situation were repeated 100 times, how many of those do you think is a lost drunk kid vs a drugged up, armed intruder?

if you own a gun and don't follow rule 4, you should not be allowed to have that gun. i don't feel anyone should be allowed to have a gun unless they have taken at least some sort of course or training for it. make training easily available, but i don't want some 40 yr old with a midlife crisis thinking he's rambo with a new toy because he has the money to blow on a firearm.

cash alone should not be the only reason why you are allowed to have an instrument of death

[griseyeux]

on both of the 911 recordings you can hear Mire shouting: "This isn't your fucking house!!" but you never hear Baker yelling anything. From the way they told it on channel 11, Baker was unarmed and didn't respond vocally to Mires warnings, but that's still no reason to haul off and shoot a 150-pound unarmed person. I'm sure Mire could have taken him without needing to shoot him. I don't know, if I could clearly see that the person was intoxicated and unarmed I would try to remove him without force before firing my gun. It just didn't really seem like Mire gave the kid a chance to explain anything. Sad story.

[Psykopath]

if you own a gun and don't follow rule 4, you should not be allowed to have that gun. i don't feel anyone should be allowed to have a gun unless they have taken at least some sort of course or training for it. make training easily available, but i don't want some 40 yr old with a midlife crisis thinking he's rambo with a new toy because he has the money to blow on a firearm.

cash alone should not be the only reason why you are allowed to have an instrument of death

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The why'd you support my gun purchase or when Glen was going to buy that M44?

[FORSAKENR320]

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The why'd you support my gun purchase or when Glen was going to buy that M44?

if you remember, i was going to be taking you both to the range and teaching you. it hasn't happened yet because of the schedule differences. it's also perfectly legal right now. but my prefereance would be proof of competance before purchase in an ideal world.

[Psykopath]

if you remember, i was going to be taking you both to the range and teaching you. it hasn't happened yet because of the schedule differences. it's also perfectly legal right now. but my prefereance would be proof of competance before purchase in an ideal world.

Ah, cool. Yeah, I'd prefer something like that as well in an ideal world.

[Hartmann]

Having had to pull a gun now twice on people, I can say that had I been less aware of what was going on, I probably would have killed someone.

Had this guy come into my house, I would have fired a warning shot and probably tried to subdue him while someone called 911.

[Dogmeat]

jesus christ I guess the fucking moral of the story is don't wander into somone elses fucking house completley out of it fucked up .... god what is wrong with people?

[moebary]

if someone breaks into my house and I have time to get my shotgun, the first shell is birdshot for their legs, the second/third shells are 000 buckshot in case they have a weapon and want to shoot back.

though I'm counting on this never happening

This post has been edited by moebary: Jun 13 2007, 09:13 PM

[FORSAKENR320]

you people are fogetting something.... if a guy can break into someones house, hurt himself, and then sue the owners of the house and win..... there is no fucking way you're getting me to take a maiming shot. self defense covers lethal force in the event of danger. lethal force is defined by the police as force that causes the ACTUAL DEATH of someone. it does NOT cover shooting someone in the leg. my commissioned license gave me the license to kill in the event it was needed. not to cripple. i'll be fucked if i allow some fuck head to sue me saying that i intentionally maimed him and denied him the ability to earn a living for the rest of his life.

[moebary]

they changed that law, or made a new one where if you injure someone in self-defense they can't sue you

so

if a guy can break into someones house, hurt himself, and then sue the owners of the house and win

can't happen

JRockTTU mentioned something about it on the first page

This post has been edited by moebary: Jun 13 2007, 10:42 PM

[FORSAKENR320]

they changed that law, or made a new one where if you injure someone in self-defense they can't sue you

so

can't happen

JRockTTU mentioned something about it on the first page

well it did happen. in california, yes. but it still happened

[James]

Texas vs. California. That's like comparing the US against France.