Tech student shot, killed in Tech Terrace neighborhood Options

[Testm0nkey]

i wonder if there will be any backlash on fraternaties and drinking? assuming he was blown out his ass drunk or on something else (seems likely). though pure speculation

nothing quite like leaving your bro's party just to hear the next morning your friend was shot and killed because he stumbled into the wrong house

[Divergent Realit...]

i saw his picture in the tech newspaper, that guy does not look 23

[TetraGrammaton C...]

i am not inviting all of you to come over to my unlocked apartment late at night, so that i will not shoot you.

however, one lucky shooting victim will win a free beer.

[impala454]

sucks to hear, sounds like he was a good guy. but even so, I really like seeing people defend their homes using their rights as US citizens to bear arms. you can't give an intruder any chances, and this guy even did that, multiple verbal warnings, including a warning shot.

I think cat is spot on speculating backlash on partying/drugs/etc. if they find anything in the guy's system it'll be hell to pay in lubbock.

[cupcake]

he was a good guy. my best friend is the guy who brought delta tau delta back to tech (they had been kicked off campus). I'm not a frat guy but from him I got to know those guys real well on hunting trips and home games and whatnot.

anyway he called me sunday morning telling me about this. reason why is that he was supposed to help me move this saturday, but instead is heading out of town for this deal.

anyway, I have not read those articles yet, but from what I know, he was drunk and walked into his neighbor's house thinking it was his own. dude shot him in the chest.

couple of points...one, why the fuck wasn't that guy's door locked?!? two, wtf ever happened to warning shots?

take one look at him and you can tell he's not there to rob you.

the whole thing is just fuckin lame.

edit: just read those...I didn't hear he fired a warning shot. kid must have been pretty fucked up to not leave after hearing that. sad deal.

[impala454]

anyway, I have not read those articles yet, but from what I know, he was drunk and walked into his neighbor's house thinking it was his own.

well the article says the house was like 4 blocks from his. definitely a sad thing though.

[Hartmann]

The DTD guys I knew were good guys and I doubt it this guy was any different.

I do know that in Tech Terrace I had a few close calls of almost killing people who showed up at my place. One night was a bunch of drunk guys who lived down the street who tried to open my door. I called the police but had my shotgun ready.

The other was a couple of local criminals trying to run from the police through my backyard after robbing the Lowe's on Boston. They tried to go through the house (after I had watched them run from the cops down the alley way) and I popped up with the shotgun pointed at them at the back door.

I used to live right down the street from where this happened, that address is 3 houses down.

[schwab]

If some guy ran into my apartment/house in teh middle of the night and set off the alarm, i would react the same way that guy did (dont own a gun though, doubt i would shoot)

He has a family to protect, how the hell are you supposed to know what the guys intentions are...you said they dont "look" like they are going to rob you? How do you know this guy is drunk or is on some drug? The owner could have thought they had locked the door earlier, and the guy broke in....

I understand he was probably a good guy, but he did this, I feel bad for him and all, no one deserves to die on a msitake like this, but you cannot blame the guy for acting as he did in this situation.

[cupcake]

I'm not placing blame on the home owner, let's clear that up. I just wish people weren't so quick to shoot. It's been pounded into me so long it's second nature...it's called the escalation of force. This guy jumped from auditory warning to lethal force. That would put your ass in Leavenworth in the mil.

I'll try and explain...the gun itself is reason enough not to shoot. As the gun wielder, you are in the position of authority...the offense (people say personal 'defense' but I don't believe anyone witha gun is ever in the defense). This should give you peace of mind and lower your fear just a tad so that you can analyze the situation to determine what level the threat is (whether the intruder has a weapon, what mental state the intruder is in, what intent, malicious or ambivalent, the intruder has, etc).

When I DON'T have a gun is when someone would get killed quick, because you don't have that wand of power that allows you to calm down and get a sense of what's happening...instead, without a gun motherfucker's getting a lamp upside his head and a steak knife in his throat.

This guy who didn't take the two extra seconds to get his situational awareness down is now going to live the rest of his life knowing he wasted a good kid who happened to have a dumbass moment. All he would have had to do is turn the fuckin light on and talk to him.

it's easy to armchair Qb this thing to death though...

[schwab]

I'm not placing blame on the home owner, let's clear that up. I just wish people weren't so quick to shoot. It's been pounded into me so long it's second nature...it's called the escalation of force. This guy jumped from auditory warning to lethal force. That would put your ass in Leavenworth in the mil.

I'll try and explain...the gun itself is reason enough not to shoot. As the gun wielder, you are in the position of authority...the offense (people say personal 'defense' but I don't believe anyone witha gun is ever in the defense). This should give you peace of mind and lower your fear just a tad so that you can analyze the situation to determine what level the threat is (whether the intruder has a weapon, what mental state the intruder is in, what intent, malicious or ambivalent, the intruder has, etc).

When I DON'T have a gun is when someone would get killed quick, because you don't have that wand of power that allows you to calm down and get a sense of what's happening...instead, without a gun motherfucker's getting a lamp upside his head and a steak knife in his throat.

This guy who didn't take the two extra seconds to get his situational awareness down is now going to live the rest of his life knowing he wasted a good kid who happened to have a dumbass moment. All he would have had to do is turn the fuckin light on and talk to him.

it's easy to armchair Qb this thing to death though...

neither of us have really any idea what happened in that room, so who knows what was said or what happened, maybe something will come out that something did or did not happen to give him reason to use the gun, but we will probably never know.

i agree that you should not just jump out and blindly aim and shoot at an intruder, i dont own a gun and doubt i ever will, i just dont see a need for me to have one....as far as this guy goes, he was probably scared shitless and acted on that, but what do we know

[impala454]

well yeah... hindsight is 20/20. if it's 3:45 AM, pitch black and someone comes into your house and doesn't heed your warnings, taking time to learn about the situation could get you and your family killed. if this situation happened 100 times, how many times is it a drunk kid in the wrong house vs a drugged up armed robber? two extra seconds to flip the light on? I'd have to say I'd never give the guy that much time, although like you said it's easy to armchair QB it.

[JRockTTU]

I'm not placing blame on the home owner, let's clear that up. I just wish people weren't so quick to shoot. It's been pounded into me so long it's second nature...it's called the escalation of force. This guy jumped from auditory warning to lethal force. That would put your ass in Leavenworth in the mil.

I'll try and explain...the gun itself is reason enough not to shoot. As the gun wielder, you are in the position of authority...the offense (people say personal 'defense' but I don't believe anyone witha gun is ever in the defense). This should give you peace of mind and lower your fear just a tad so that you can analyze the situation to determine what level the threat is (whether the intruder has a weapon, what mental state the intruder is in, what intent, malicious or ambivalent, the intruder has, etc).

When I DON'T have a gun is when someone would get killed quick, because you don't have that wand of power that allows you to calm down and get a sense of what's happening...instead, without a gun motherfucker's getting a lamp upside his head and a steak knife in his throat.

This guy who didn't take the two extra seconds to get his situational awareness down is now going to live the rest of his life knowing he wasted a good kid who happened to have a dumbass moment. All he would have had to do is turn the fuckin light on and talk to him.

it's easy to armchair Qb this thing to death though...

Yeah, I agree with you on all points. Simply having the weapon puts you in a position that, unless you suspect the other person also has a gun, you should not have to shoot. There are only two people who witnessed what happened, and one of them is dead. We don't know if the kid was so wasted he was talking gibberish and came at the guy, not even realizing he had a gun, or if the guy shot first and asked questions later. Very sad ordeal. I have to say, if I did own a gun, I would have to feel that my life was in immediate danger before I pulled that trigger even for a warning shot.

[Mommy]

dont get so bloody hammered...problem solved

[schwab]

dont get so bloody hammered...problem solved

ive been drunk a lot, and i have never been that drunk to walk into somebody elses house and do shit like that

[cupcake]

Yeah, I agree with you on all points. Simply having the weapon puts you in a position that, unless you suspect the other person also has a gun, you should not have to shoot. There are only two people who witnessed what happened, and one of them is dead. We don't know if the kid was so wasted he was talking gibberish and came at the guy, not even realizing he had a gun, or if the guy shot first and asked questions later. Very sad ordeal. I have to say, if I did own a gun, I would have to feel that my life was in immediate danger before I pulled that trigger even for a warning shot.

I'm finding your view is a very rare one. We are talking about this right now in my office. My "Dallas chick" coworker is all "if someone came into my house at 3am I would shoot him!" and I'm the only one who's hesitant.

I'm also the only guy here who has an arsenal of weapons and one sitting in my truck.

I grieve for some of the 'bad guys' who were kids simply born in the wrong frickin place, I cannot imagine living with killing some unarmed drunk college kid...

fuck