 Do you believe you have Free Will?, a philosophical debate |
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| Do you believe you have Free Will?, a philosophical debate |
 May 29 2007, 03:01 PM
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so you're not aware of any decisions you make?
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May 29 2007, 03:11 PM
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 Let's Bother Snape!!! Group: Members Posts: 1,598 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Albuquerque, NM Member No.: 10 |
And you're aware of every decision your brain makes?
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May 29 2007, 03:16 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
my brain is part of me... brains don't make decisions, whole people make decisions. when someone asks if i want to go out to dinner, i don't say, "hold on lemme see what my brain wants to do".
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May 29 2007, 03:34 PM
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CHEE CHEE Group: Members Posts: 5,026 Joined: 23-February 06 From: trapped in the hoezone layer Member No.: 39 |
you are aware of the decisions you make AFTER theyve already been made by your brain
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May 29 2007, 03:52 PM
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 Your Private Eye Group: Members Posts: 252 Joined: 23-February 06 Member No.: 60 |
Cathryn is right on this one.
Impala, read any psychology book. QUOTE (impala454 @ May 29 2007, 03:47 PM)  what i'm saying is, my brain is part of me, my whole body is me. i would say my entire existence is my body + my soul. therefore any decision made by any piece of that = me making the decision. i dont understand how you can say "your brain makes the decision but not you" EX, Reflexes. Do you sit there and think about moving away from something hot or do you just do it on reflex? And for on topic... free will exists cause there is no god. |
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May 29 2007, 04:02 PM
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Let's Bother Snape!!! Group: Members Posts: 1,598 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Albuquerque, NM Member No.: 10 |
Impala, you decide to twitch?
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May 29 2007, 04:26 PM
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ok, so i skimmed this thread and looks as if we are having the same problem that we did the last time we all had this argument, which is probably irretrievable.
like i believe i said last time, the main issue, is coming up with a suitable definition for free will, as well as the opposing idea. (ex. predetermination vs. choice) or you can say that choice does not exist because of predetermination, but not a holy one, instead a predetermination based on infinite matrices of interactions which cause events to happen the way they do (the narrowing of moves on a go board). there are way to many ways of looking at this argument. everyone can be "right" (or generally accepted as right) providing they choose a suitable definition of free will. what john stuart mill meant by it and what we mean by it today are fairly different ideas. |
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May 30 2007, 06:39 PM
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QUOTE (impala454 @ May 29 2007, 04:16 PM) my brain is part of me... brains don't make decisions, whole people make decisions. when someone asks if i want to go out to dinner, i don't say, "hold on lemme see what my brain wants to do". Sorry Impala, but this rebuttal is completely invalid. Um you wouldn't be hungry if it weren't for your hypothalmus. (a part of your brain) Also, thinking about whether or not want to go to dinner is using your brain. Your preferences (concerning food and everything else) are decided upon and stored by your brain. When someone asks if you want to go out to dinner you're using your brain to process the question, to formulate an answer and to respond physically. (using your voice) -------------------- Je suis toute du merde.
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May 30 2007, 06:57 PM
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Fool Group: Members Posts: 2,127 Joined: 23-February 06 From: LBB Member No.: 56 |
QUOTE (Jim @ May 29 2007, 05:02 PM) Impala, you decide to twitch? Twitching doesn't require a working brain, so does that even matter? -------------------- Spam? Isn't that something poor people eat?
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May 30 2007, 07:06 PM
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Fool Group: Members Posts: 2,127 Joined: 23-February 06 From: LBB Member No.: 56 |
QUOTE (John6.7 @ May 29 2007, 04:52 PM) Cathryn is right on this one. Impala, read any psychology book. EX, Reflexes. Do you sit there and think about moving away from something hot or do you just do it on reflex? And for on topic... free will exists cause there is no god. Do reflexes require brain activity? I'm not sure that they do. Would be interested to see a study that took MRI's of subjects while testing reflexes. -------------------- Spam? Isn't that something poor people eat?
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May 30 2007, 09:00 PM
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CHEE CHEE Group: Members Posts: 5,026 Joined: 23-February 06 From: trapped in the hoezone layer Member No.: 39 |
yes reflexes require very primitive brain activity. reflexes are hardwired by evolution in the very oldest parts of our brain structures. if those areas are "dead" then no you have no reflexes but also if those areas are dead you arent breathing, digesting, no smooth or skeletal muscle control - you are truely brain dead
the reason why reflexes are so fast and truely automatic is because like i said there are parts of your brain where systems of neurons are prehardwired for those reactions. as they are used they only get stronger (except for habitualization ie. getting used to it so you are fighting the reflex - the neuron stops sensing the stimulus as important thus stops firing an action potential) also reflexes such as sensing heat or pain are picked up by specific sensors in our body very close to our skin that shoot straight into the spinal cord by a very direct path into the very base of your brain -------------------- Little monkeys making money
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May 30 2007, 11:31 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
how the hell did this get into talking about reflexes??? wtf do reflexes have to do with free will?? you're saying it's a subconscious reflex action that I choose to get a steak instead of chicken when I go to a restaurant?
I have gone to texas roadhouse about 6 times in the past 2 months. I have had steak 4 times, chicken two times, and a random three of those times, I got that yummy side of ribs. now I want one of you dipshits to explain to me how that food arrived at my table. from the time I sat down and was handed a menu, to the time I recieved my food. I'd really love to see all of you explain how no decision was made by me, Chuck, and by Chuck I mean, the person who you would point at and say "that person is Chuck", the whole Chuck, brain and all, and nothing but the Chuck, so help me God. Amen. |
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May 31 2007, 01:40 AM
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 Oh baby bring me down  Group: Agents Posts: 4,115 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Way out yonder Member No.: 68 |
Twitching doesn't need a brain, ap can be acheived locally without the whole network
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May 31 2007, 09:03 AM
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CHEE CHEE Group: Members Posts: 5,026 Joined: 23-February 06 From: trapped in the hoezone layer Member No.: 39 |
reflexes need the brain though. the reason you kick your leg out when you hit your knee is your brain
haha impala is namecalling -------------------- Little monkeys making money
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May 31 2007, 09:25 AM
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Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ May 31 2007, 10:03 AM) haha impala is namecalling answer the question and I'll remove the word "dipshits" 
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