 Do you believe you have Free Will?, a philosophical debate |
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 May 26 2007, 02:28 AM
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definitely not reading all this...
but yeah, i believe humans are born with free will. we make our own decisions, and design our own fate. whether God knows about our decisions beforehand is irrelevant. --------------------  |
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May 26 2007, 10:01 AM
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god dammit! you're all HIPPIES!!!!!
-------------------- I r Ur Gawd!
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May 29 2007, 08:23 AM
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I think most of you who say we have no free will (not you cupcake) are confusing an influenced decision with the ability to choose. just because a decision may be influenced by some other source doesn't mean you are bound by that influence, or that you can no longer make a choice. an influence doesn't make the decision for you.
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May 29 2007, 08:35 AM
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QUOTE (JRockTTU @ May 25 2007, 05:03 PM)  Don't let her fool you, she has a degree in Philosophy. It's kinda like asking Rainman baseball statistics, then asking him how much a candy bar costs.  Jason.... UNACCEPTABLE..... COURTNEY, MONITOR YOUR MAN.
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May 29 2007, 08:37 AM
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QUOTE (FORSAKENR320 @ May 25 2007, 09:56 PM) fixed Suck my dick, bitch
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May 29 2007, 08:41 AM
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New son Donovan Charles Mummert born July 17, 2008 Group: Members Posts: 8,635 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Port Wentworth, GA Member No.: 15 |
QUOTE (Dogmeat @ May 26 2007, 11:01 AM) god dammit! you're all HIPPIES!!!!! Suck my dick, bitch
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May 29 2007, 01:09 PM
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CHEE CHEE Group: Members Posts: 5,026 Joined: 23-February 06 From: trapped in the hoezone layer Member No.: 39 |
QUOTE (impala454 @ May 29 2007, 09:23 AM) I think most of you who say we have no free will (not you cupcake) are confusing an influenced decision with the ability to choose. just because a decision may be influenced by some other source doesn't mean you are bound by that influence, or that you can no longer make a choice. an influence doesn't make the decision for you. there is no meer "influence" when your brain makes your decision for you before you are conscious of it -------------------- Little monkeys making money
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May 29 2007, 01:49 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ May 29 2007, 02:09 PM) there is no meer "influence" when your brain makes your decision for you before you are conscious of it last time I checked, my brain is me. so if my brain made the decision, that means I made it. geezus. |
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May 29 2007, 02:25 PM
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CHEE CHEE Group: Members Posts: 5,026 Joined: 23-February 06 From: trapped in the hoezone layer Member No.: 39 |
if you have no conscious ability to change, decide or prevent anything is that free will? you take a fairly liberal view on the matter. i see it as your brain made the decision. had nothing to do at all with you
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May 29 2007, 02:30 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
so, your brain is not you then? and how the hell is this a liberal position?
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May 29 2007, 02:33 PM
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CHEE CHEE Group: Members Posts: 5,026 Joined: 23-February 06 From: trapped in the hoezone layer Member No.: 39 |
the term liberal doenst just have to do with politics if thats what you thought. theres pretty strong support for your brain not being you at all - in the meaning im guessing you were aiming at
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May 29 2007, 02:36 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
ah ok.
just seems weird to me that one wouldn't consider their brain to be them |
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May 29 2007, 02:38 PM
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CHEE CHEE Group: Members Posts: 5,026 Joined: 23-February 06 From: trapped in the hoezone layer Member No.: 39 |
everything you do is because of your brain is it not? what you do with your arms legs doesnt affect your brain, its the other way around. "them" is your consciousness which seriously wtf is that, can you say where it is? and isnt your consciousness ruled by your brain? so then what do we control
their brain isnt them but "them" is their brain -------------------- Little monkeys making money
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May 29 2007, 02:47 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
what i'm saying is, my brain is part of me, my whole body is me. i would say my entire existence is my body + my soul. therefore any decision made by any piece of that = me making the decision. i dont understand how you can say "your brain makes the decision but not you"
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May 29 2007, 02:54 PM
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CHEE CHEE Group: Members Posts: 5,026 Joined: 23-February 06 From: trapped in the hoezone layer Member No.: 39 |
if a decision is made and you are not aware of it and had nothing to do with the decision process (meaning no soul/self/conscious role) is it your decision? no. so then does that change simply because your brains in your head? thats how i can say your brain makes the decision not you
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