Lingerie Store Raid Options

[impala454]

yay lets again immediately blame Christians. it must be their fault. they're the only people on the planet who don't like having dildo shops down the street from them.

on a more serious note, it sure does seem the lubbock police have turned into a new vice squad and I totally agree it's a waste of resources. then again, I also think it was a waste of resources to have some dude driving around in a car issuing warnings for city ordinance regarding yard maintinence.

I would be interested to know if there were any warnings given to the owners about violating city ordinance (before the "raid" (lol "raid"... did they go in wearing body armor with mp5s? ("DROP THE 5 FOOT COCK BITCH")))

[JRockTTU]

According to the news, 4 patrol cars took part in the "raid."

But hey, I didn't see it on Fox News so it was probably a lie...Because you just KNOW this city doesn't waste man power/resources at all! I mean, they only used 8+ officers, a paddy wagon, and leg irons for the Chippendale's fiasco. That wasn't over the line at all either.

Why would Fox News cover a stupid bust of a sex toy shop in Lubbock, Texas? I'm not sure if you mean Fox News or the crappy Fox local affiliate "news" team. I understand that you're trying to take a jab at James in a sarcastic tone and implying that he's the voice of conservatism, but I just don't understand the reference to "it can't be true if Fox News didn't report it."

[Psykopath]

yay lets again immediately blame Christians. it must be their fault. they're the only people on the planet who don't like having dildo shops down the street from them.

on a more serious note, it sure does seem the lubbock police have turned into a new vice squad and I totally agree it's a waste of resources. then again, I also think it was a waste of resources to have some dude driving around in a car issuing warnings for city ordinance regarding yard maintenance.

I would be interested to know if there were any warnings given to the owners about violating city ordinance (before the "raid" (lol "raid"... did they go in wearing body armor with mp5s? ("DROP THE 5 FOOT COCK BITCH")))

Not blaming Christianity, just the "Christians" (or the ones beefing up obvious Christian Right morality) for enforcing their morals on everyone else. Same goes with the whole alcohol thing.

And yeah, the yard maintenance thing is a motherfucking joke. They once walked past my parent's house and issued them a $300+ citation for the chipped up sidewalk in front of their house (sidewalk that had been that way before we moved in the house). Now, isn't the sidewalk city property, technically? If it's not, then I wonder how they'd feel if my folks just tore it all up and planted bushes? heh

Why would Fox News cover a stupid bust of a sex toy shop in Lubbock, Texas? I'm not sure if you mean Fox News or the crappy Fox local affiliate "news" team. I understand that you're trying to take a jab at James in a sarcastic tone and implying that he's the voice of conservatism, but I just don't understand the reference to "it can't be true if Fox News didn't report it."

Just a lame sarcastic jab...nothing more.

This post has been edited by Psykopath: May 22 2007, 11:59 PM

[James]

According to the news, 4 patrol cars took part in the "raid."

But hey, I didn't see it on Fox News so it was probably a lie...Because you just KNOW this city doesn't waste man power/resources at all! I mean, they only used 8+ officers, a paddy wagon, and leg irons for the Chippendale's fiasco. That wasn't over the line at all either.

Four patrol cars That's four to eight officers. Not a lot considering they may not have known who or what was in the building at the time. And again, if they're going to try and put someone on the sex offender list, then there's more to this story than has been reported.

I don't know where you come off with the Fox News joke. I don't recall ever saying that. When I referred to the media, I was referring to the issue of them exaggerating the news to pique viewer interest. I'm sure drug arrests happen all the time, but what do people want to hear about more - the drug bust that happens at least once a week and is repetitive or the sex shop getting "raided" and removing a new kind of bad element from town (Hint: it's the latter; that's why it's called news instead of repetitives).

If I recall correctly, didn't the bar that Chippendale's was performing in at the time contain people? Lots of people? If so, then you should have no problem taking 8+ officers to the property in order to better guarantee the safety of the officers. The mob is very fickle and very dangerous. Paddy wagon, easier transportation, duh. Leg irons, probably excessive, but also probably mandatory by TCLEOS for larger arrests, again, for the officer's safety.

[impala454]

Not blaming Christianity, just the "Christians" (or the ones beefing up obvious Christian Right morality) for enforcing their morals on everyone else. Same goes with the whole alcohol thing.

well maybe that's not what you meant, but I dunno how else to read "Lubbock...you backwards-ass, hick fucking community of fundamentalist bible-thumpers"

and they weren't enforcing morals, they were enforcing city ordinance. apparently (if I read the article correctly) the city ordinance allows up to six similar sexually explicit items, and this store exceeded that number. so, you can say it's the people pushing their morals on others, but it seems fairly lax to me if the ordinance says "you can only have six purple three headed dildos on display at a time".

the police were perfectly justified in doing what they did. my only question would be is if they ever issued a warning. not that they would have to, but you'd think they would.

[JRockTTU]

Four patrol cars That's four to eight officers. Not a lot considering they may not have known who or what was in the building at the time. And again, if they're going to try and put someone on the sex offender list, then there's more to this story than has been reported.

I don't know where you come off with the Fox News joke. I don't recall ever saying that. When I referred to the media, I was referring to the issue of them exaggerating the news to pique viewer interest. I'm sure drug arrests happen all the time, but what do people want to hear about more - the drug bust that happens at least once a week and is repetitive or the sex shop getting "raided" and removing a new kind of bad element from town (Hint: it's the latter; that's why it's called news instead of repetitives).

If I recall correctly, didn't the bar that Chippendale's was performing in at the time contain people? Lots of people? If so, then you should have no problem taking 8+ officers to the property in order to better guarantee the safety of the officers. The mob is very fickle and very dangerous. Paddy wagon, easier transportation, duh. Leg irons, probably excessive, but also probably mandatory by TCLEOS for larger arrests, again, for the officer's safety.

I don't know how many patrol cars they had, but they "raided" it with 4 uniformed officers. The sex toys were in a hidden location that one would have to ask to see before they were shown the items. An undercover officer went in the night before the raid and asked to see the items. He purchased a dildo (or vibrator, don't remember) from the clerk working at the store. The next day they took 4 cops up there to bust the joint and confiscate all of the sex toys. So now not only are we using 4 cops to bust a store that discreetly sells items to be used in the privacy of one's home, we are also using the manpower of undercover officers!

I'm a conservative individual, but my fiance's car got a cinder block thrown at it a month ago and caused over $2000 in damage while it was parked in front of our house on a thursday night. I'm glad to see that the police are more concerned about people masturbating than they are finding people who are doing property damage (6 blocks from the Somethin' Sexy, 3 away from Jake's). I'm fed up with this bullshit that they enforce their laws to stifle the "moral corruption" in Lubbock, all of the moral corruption I see is in city hall.

Impala: It's not a city ordinance, it's a state law about the sex toys. The funny thing is that no other city seems to enforce the law because they have bigger fish to fry. The city is just selectively enforcing these sex laws instead of things that actually hurt people. There have been a few scattered cases of this being enforced in Texas, but not many. One of them involved an undercover cop busting one of those sex toy parties that women have (like tupperware parties but with fake dicks).

I can link my sources after work if you need more info on where I got my facts.

[Divergent Realit...]

all of the moral corruption I see is in city hall.

ding ding ding.

we have a winner.

[impala454]

oh I never said it was a good use of cops, just sayin they were within their jobs to do it.

and as far as other cities in the state having bigger fish to fry, yeah, houston, dfw, SA, austin, etc. but what terrible rampant crime is there in lubbock? honestly lubbock is a city where the cops have nothing better to do.

so your gf got her car vandalized... are you saying that four cops on one raid on one night would have prevented it? it's not like they're busting a store every damn night. it's kinda like the chippendales thing.. yeah it was dumb, but it was one night. and people go all nuts saying "omg there's never police around because they're out doin stuff like this!"

chippendales raid = dumb, yes, it was a mis-use of cops
dildo store raid = dumb, yes, it was a mis-use of cops
total cop time wasted = 5-6 hrs? out of the past how many years?

[cmac]

they had to spend time planning the raids.
so 20-40 hours.


i still don't get how this shop owner can be classified into the same category as a child rapist.
if s/he becomes a sex offender.

This post has been edited by cmac: May 23 2007, 12:33 PM

[Psykopath]

they had to spend time planning the raids.
so 20-40 hours.


i still don't get how this shop owner can be classified into the same category as a child rapist.
if s/he becomes a sex offender.

Remember, Texas takes its "sex" crimes quite seriously!

They bust homosexuals getting busy in the privacy of their own house so as to protect the morality status quo.



Yeah, I'm still not seeing how this person could be considered a sex offender. I mean, dildos deal with sex, but...I mean come on: It's not like the store clerk was randomly jamming them into the vaginas of customers or something.

For fuck's sake, these whacked out laws get on my nerves.

This post has been edited by Psykopath: May 23 2007, 12:46 PM

[Seeker]

Impala, you're forgetting all the wasted tax-payers dollars that paid for these ridiculous raids, and hundreds of thousands of dollars that will go towards lawyer's fees, DA fees, etc. in the prosecution of the poor clerk. Then all the wasted tax-payers dollars that will be needed to either jail the poor clerk or put him on probation.

[impala454]

hundreds of thousands of dollars? I don't think so.

the point was, it's not like the streets of lubbock have been running rampant with crime the past however many years because a handful of cops took part in a few hours worth of questionable raids.

[The Fanatic]

Why did the clerk get arrested but not the owner? That makes even less sense.

[zetec]

oh I never said it was a good use of cops, just sayin they were within their jobs to do it.

and as far as other cities in the state having bigger fish to fry, yeah, houston, dfw, SA, austin, etc. but what terrible rampant crime is there in lubbock? honestly lubbock is a city where the cops have nothing better to do.

so your gf got her car vandalized... are you saying that four cops on one raid on one night would have prevented it? it's not like they're busting a store every damn night. it's kinda like the chippendales thing.. yeah it was dumb, but it was one night. and people go all nuts saying "omg there's never police around because they're out doin stuff like this!"

chippendales raid = dumb, yes, it was a mis-use of cops
dildo store raid = dumb, yes, it was a mis-use of cops
total cop time wasted = 5-6 hrs? out of the past how many years?

it takes time to plan a raid (20-40 hours), rehearse a raid (assuming they're following SOP - 12 hours) do paperwork from each cop both before and after the raid (4 hours per cop- each cop has to write a report for each arrestee) not to mention they get paid for all of this, (city dollars) and the undercover officers in the first place (?? hours)

[James]

LOL