Movies in the classroom Options

[impala454]

hell yeah! lets just abolish all age requirements for everything! let kids smoke when they're 5 if they want to! let 10 year olds have sex with 50 year olds! show extreme super pr0n during preschool! let them go to war at age 12! put them out on the road driving a car at age 7! just let em do whatever they want! they'll see it all and experience it all eventually right??

you don't have a f'n clue dude. i'm glad you're gay and will never put some poor kid through hell by attempting to raise one.

[Mommy]

I'm not gay. I support gay endeavors, because they're JUST PEOPLE like us. I hate society because it has to be "they" and "us" and not just "we." That's for another thread though. However, for this thread, I ABSOLUTELY feel that it's ok to show parts of this movie. There's no need to waste three whole days of class to show the whole thing, but there are several scenes which could serve to spark discussions, and do so without submitting kids to soft porn.

But, at what age is it ok to break the bubble of "innocent-mindedness?" If it's not middle school, then high school? Does that one summer in between all of a sudden grant kids some maturity rite of passage? Innocence is for four year olds that take naps. Not for eighth graders, many who have been exposed to a hell of a lot more, including murder, rape, incest, sex, alcohol, violence and crime (as sad as it may be.) To censor one subject on the idea of "protecting their innocense" is to insult many of these kids' intelligence or morality. This is the age that they will have to make those tough decisions (vandalize a property with your friends or stay home on Friday night) and this is the age that these discussions need to be happening, to PREVENT these things from happening.

I know you love your brother, NO ONE on here can deny the fierceness of which that's true, but as you have pointed out, he has a mental hindrance. I'm not saying he's any less valuable to society, but you can't honestly base your feelings of what's right for the entire eighth-grade population because of how protective you are of him.


It's sexually permiscuous because it's two men?

I knew someone would bring up that I said "community"... I hate being PC. Its pointless. I dont have to say "we" when Im talking about a characteristic that I dont possess.... that being gayness.



What educational value does this movie have? NONE! Yeah, lets waste more classtime with bullshit. Seriously, our education system is CRAP because teachers waste so much classtime with "fun" activites that are not relevant to the class.



I'm sorry, but school should be a place where kids can be kids. Just because SOME kids have to deal with adult situations at home, does not mean that they have to deal with that shit at school.



The fact that my brother has autism does not alter my feelings that NO 8th grader should be made to watch a rated R movie at school. If you want to jump on my ass about not saying "we" when talking about fags then I can resent the fact that you are saying my brother has a "hindrance" because you dont know anything about him or his disorder.

[JRockTTU]

my thoughts..... fuck censorship. kids will see it eventually, to think that we as adults have any control over what they will and will not see when the media tries to force it's self down our throughts all the time is idiotic. we are pretending that by limiting one very small aspect of our childrens interaction we can change what they are exposed to. i am not in support of this movie in the classroom, the classroom should be used for something other than "movie day" what i am saying is, instead of bitching about teachers and blaming the problems on them, focus on the advertisement companies, and television shows , billboards and junk mail that force themselves on us everyday without our consent. if you want to pretend you're being an active parent and throw a fit about this in the school, but sit back and don't do anything else about the real problems, you are just kidding yourself and your children will still be exposed to the same amount of filth no matter what. you can't hide it from them... the only thing you can hope to do is guide them, help them understand (help them and tell them are 2 WAY different things) so that they may deal with the changing world responsibly.

Fuck you because I actually agree with you for once....kind of. Like Cannonball said, I don't think it should be shown at that age because of the R rating. I'm not opposed to it because I think the kids should be kept ignorant, but it's the context of when (8th grade), where (school), why (who the fuck knows), and by whom (some substitute). It's not that the kids saw the movie that bothered me, but it is the fact that their parents had no say in it. I think it should be up to the parents. Of course then you get into the whole dilemma of parents nowadays wanting schools to teach their kids about sexual education and puberty and all the tough subjects like that, but when the school doesn't teach it in a way the parents like they sue or raise hell about it. I've just always been a fan of the theory that you can't always be there to make decisions for your kids so you should educate them as best you can so that they can make the right decisions when they have to.

[cupcake]

dude...society is the way it is...there's going to be explicit shit all over the place. but school is one place that is supposed that should set the example. R-rated is not censorship. It's a suggested rating.

at home, my parents let me watch R rated movies with them, and if something got whack, they'd stop and talk to me.

part of being a responsible parent is knowing wtf goes on at school. when my son is in school, you can bet your ass I'll be checking up on the place he spends 30+ hours a week.

[JRockTTU]

hell yeah! lets just abolish all age requirements for everything! let kids smoke when they're 5 if they want to! let 10 year olds have sex with 50 year olds! show extreme super pr0n during preschool! let them go to war at age 12! put them out on the road driving a car at age 7! just let em do whatever they want! they'll see it all and experience it all eventually right??

you don't have a f'n clue dude. i'm glad you're gay and will never put some poor kid through hell by attempting to raise one.

Alright dude, I'm conservative. I watch Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity everyday and listen to Rush on my lunch break, but you make me feel like Al Franken. I found myself agreeing with you in another thread so I thought you were a reasonable person, but you are a Right wing radical nut.

/rant

[Divergent Realit...]

Thats what sex ed is for. Showing them a sexually promiscuous film isnt beneficial to their development.

im not talking about the movie.

is sex ed working? thats the question i am asking.

[impala454]

apparently exaggeration is beyond some people on here... I don't feel that the "just let kids be exposed to everything" is a very sensible idea.

(intended for Jrock)

[cupcake]

ok let's say for the sake of argument we take the manlove movie out of the equation and replace it with another R movie.

how about the original "Carrie" by steven king. in an attempt to better understand school violence by young students.

is that an acceptable course to take for 8th graders? would you object?

[FORSAKENR320]

hell yeah! lets just abolish all age requirements for everything! let kids smoke when they're 5 if they want to! let 10 year olds have sex with 50 year olds! show extreme super pr0n during preschool! let them go to war at age 12! put them out on the road driving a car at age 7! just let em do whatever they want! they'll see it all and experience it all eventually right??

you don't have a f'n clue dude. i'm glad you're gay and will never put some poor kid through hell by attempting to raise one.

are you talking to me? because if you are.... what has your "age requirements" accomplished in the first thing? not a damn thing. 10 year olds now know more about sex than you do

[Mommy]

ok let's say for the sake of argument we take the manlove movie out of the equation and replace it with another R movie.

how about the original "Carrie" by steven king. in an attempt to better understand school violence by young students.

is that an acceptable course to take for 8th graders? would you object?

hell yes i would be pissed.

[cupcake]

are you talking to me? because if you are.... what has your "age requirements" accomplished in the first thing? not a damn thing. 10 year olds now know more about sex than you do

just because someone isn't ignorant to something doesn't mean it should be pushed by the school.

that's ridiculous.

I did acid at 15, but I don't think that it would be a good idea to show fear and loathing or trainspotting to a bunch of 9th graders for their drug education lesson.

[JRockTTU]

are you talking to me? because if you are.... what has your "age requirements" accomplished in the first thing? not a damn thing. 10 year olds now know more about sex than you do

I don't think a lot of our age restrictions in the US are bad, it's our reluctance (parents) to talk about the subject on an intelligent level, the whole mentality of keeping your kids ignorant. When you don't address things with your kids they're going to be curious about it and have to make decisions on their own, whether it be unprotected sex, drugs, etc. Laws and age limits are good, but you can't ignore the subjects and expect your kids to make the right choices when they're confronted with them. HAI 2 U LUBBOCK'S LACK OF GOOD SEX ED AND GROWING STD RATES!

[Spectatrix]

I oppose Brokeback Mountain being shown in school not because of it's explicit content or R-rating, but because I simply don't see the educational value in it. Let's look at another movie... Jim Henson's Labyrinth, for instance... love the flick and it's a kid's movie, but I'd object to it being shown in school because, again, I don't see the educational value in it.

Some movies have a place in school. I was homeschooled, so these examples are all from college, but... we saw The Matrix in one of my philosophy classes to compare it to Plato's allegory of the cave (seeing the *whole* movie -- three classes worth -- was a bit of a waste of time, but the comparison was a good one), saw movie productions of Tartuffe and The Great Gatsby in a couple of English classes to get a better feel for the works, etc.

That having been said, even with obvious educational value, parental consent should be obtained for showing PG-13 movies for pre-teens and R movies for high-schoolers.

[cupcake]

I oppose Brokeback Mountain being shown in school not because of it's explicit content or R-rating, but because I simply don't see the educational value in it. Let's look at another movie... Jim Henson's Labyrinth, for instance... love the flick and it's a kid's movie, but I'd object to it being shown in school because, again, I don't see the educational value in it.

Some movies have a place in school. I was homeschooled, so these examples are all from college, but... we saw The Matrix in one of my philosophy classes to compare it to Plato's allegory of the cave (seeing the *whole* movie -- three classes worth -- was a bit of a waste of time, but the comparison was a good one), saw movie productions of Tartuffe and The Great Gatsby in a couple of English classes to get a better feel for the works, etc.

That having been said, even with obvious educational value, parental consent should be obtained for showing PG-13 movies for pre-teens and R movies for high-schoolers.

I agree wholeheartedly with the bold statement.

off topic...but the matrix as an allegory of the cave?

while I would have been stoked, "a passage to india" is a much more died in the wool "cave" example. I think chosing the matrix is a stretch in order to "reach out to the kids! get em onboard!"

[Mommy]

I don't think a lot of our age restrictions in the US are bad, it's our reluctance (parents) to talk about the subject on an intelligent level, the whole mentality of keeping your kids ignorant. When you don't address things with your kids they're going to be curious about it and have to make decisions on their own, whether it be unprotected sex, drugs, etc. Laws and age limits are good, but you can't ignore the subjects and expect your kids to make the right choices when they're confronted with them. HAI 2 U LUBBOCK'S LACK OF GOOD SEX ED AND GROWING STD RATES!

you just said what Im saying without realizing it... PARENTS NEED TO ADDRESS IT. Obviously parenting is very controversial... let parents handle what they feel is appropriate for their children to view.