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Aaron
post May 10 2007, 01:48 PM
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Any five year old kid would be able to vocalize any discomfort or ill feelings, so, yes, my feelings would be different in that case.
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impala454
post May 10 2007, 02:07 PM
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well, i dont think that really had much to do with it in this case. whatever they said, it sounds to me more like a strict belief in their ideals backfired on them, not simple ignorance.
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post May 10 2007, 02:18 PM
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I didn't realize "ignorance" and "strict belief" were mutually exclusive.
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impala454
post May 10 2007, 02:31 PM
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they matter in sentencing. if they knew they were starving the baby, but refused to do anything about it because of beliefs, they deserved their sentence. if they were ignorant of the baby's condition I suppose 20-30 years might have been more fitting.

and to me, it's just pathetic. the bitch wouldn't even breast feed him? how much more "natural" can you get than that?
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post May 10 2007, 02:41 PM
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QUOTE (Aaron @ May 10 2007, 02:03 PM) *
I never said that it should be incorporated into the justice system, I was just saying I didn't think they deserved life in prison for it. Though, it seems like their life sentences were automatic, so it couldn't have been helped.


What do you think would happen if they were given a reduced sentence for a crime such as this? It would set precedent and be incorporated into the justice system, allowing any defense attorney to use it for their client.

Additionally, penalty is written into the law books along with the actual crime, and since it's not really a judge's position to make new laws, the only way they could've received that kind of reduced sentence is to be charged with a lesser crime or to have ignorance be an acceptable defense.


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post May 10 2007, 03:02 PM
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QUOTE (Seussninja @ May 10 2007, 03:07 AM) *
I'd blame "retarded parents" over veganism.
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post May 10 2007, 03:12 PM
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i'd be interested to see how much the baby weighed when it was born
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post May 10 2007, 03:16 PM
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QUOTE (James @ May 10 2007, 03:41 PM) *
What do you think would happen if they were given a reduced sentence for a crime such as this? It would set precedent and be incorporated into the justice system, allowing any defense attorney to use it for their client.

Additionally, penalty is written into the law books along with the actual crime, and since it's not really a judge's position to make new laws, the only way they could've received that kind of reduced sentence is to be charged with a lesser crime or to have ignorance be an acceptable defense.


Listen, am I crying myself to sleep because these two idiots are going to be spending a lot of time in the clink? No.

Do I think that a life sentence is too severe for what they did? Yes.

That's it. Period, end of story.

I'm not advocating that laws be overturned, judges thrown off the bench, district attorneys be recalled or anything like that. I'm not offering commentary on the justice system, or judging the judge's (lolz) actions.
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post May 10 2007, 03:17 PM
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I think the prosecuter said it best
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No matter how many times they want to say, ‘We’re vegans, we’re vegetarians,’ that’s not the issue in this case. The child died because he was not fed. Period.
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post May 10 2007, 03:21 PM
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fucking ignorant people, im curious how many people told them that they are killing their child by doing this before it happened


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post May 10 2007, 03:26 PM
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Ugh truthfully these people were probably totally insane crazy vegans. Normal Vegans at least have some sort of common sense about this sort of shit, trust me.
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post May 10 2007, 03:28 PM
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well what gets me is that there's all kinds of things that are unhealthy for kids, but fine for adults... this bugs the shit outta me. when my sister was pregnant, they told her to stay away from the cat litter box. i'm sittin here thinkin... why the hell is it ok for ME to be near it then!?!?! if a vegan diet is sooo healthy, how come a baby dies of malnutrition!??!
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post May 10 2007, 03:30 PM
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QUOTE (impala454 @ May 10 2007, 04:28 PM) *
well what gets me is that there's all kinds of things that are unhealthy for kids, but fine for adults... this bugs the shit outta me. when my sister was pregnant, they told her to stay away from the cat litter box. i'm sittin here thinkin... why the hell is it ok for ME to be near it then!?!?! if a vegan diet is sooo healthy, how come a baby dies of malnutrition!??!


These parents probably didn't weigh their options very well. A baby's immune system is still developing and there is a certain toxin in cat shit that can cause birth defects so that explains that part, however, the truth of the matter is that a Vegan diet is ONLY healthy if you make all of the right steps to balance your nutrients.

Hell I can eat nothing but fucking french fries and be a "vegan" but i'll die from a heart attack in a few years.
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post May 10 2007, 03:33 PM
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so cat shit can grow the kid a third arm, but wont do anything to me? it's just strange to me is all
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post May 10 2007, 03:39 PM
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QUOTE (impala454 @ May 10 2007, 04:33 PM) *
so cat shit can grow the kid a third arm, but wont do anything to me? it's just strange to me is all



I'm not really familiar with the phenomenon myself, so I can't really tell you what causes it, I just know it happens.
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