Immigration issues (split from VT thread), guns, etc. Options

[FORSAKENR320]

you cannot really transport a situation like that.
this could stop violent conflict, or in less mature situations encourage the easily accessed violence over a petty dispute.

the difference is, i KNOW i'm reliable and responsible, and DON"T know the other guy is reliable with a firearm....... i want the means to defend myself at ANY time against ANY threat. not just when the city says i can.

the idea is it's better to have a gun and not need it, than to need a gun, and not have it.

[The Fanatic]

Would you logically expand this right to carry a concealed handgun, in order to defend yourself, to federal buildings, airports, etc?

[Divergent Realit...]

I like that in Utah any student with a permit is allowed to carry a concealed weapon on campus. Had VT had this policy, 32 deaths would not have occured. I think the rest of the country should follow their example.

i dont trust utah.

[James]

Would you logically expand this right to carry a concealed handgun, in order to defend yourself, to federal buildings, airports, etc?

You don't need one in those places. They're designed in ways so that entry points are at a minimum and security is at a maximum. Campuses and cities in general are very open places without localized security forces or means of providing equal footing for everyone, i.e. metal detectors at entry points with security personnel within close proximity.

Try harder.

[Divergent Realit...]

something about 'sanctuary cities' is a bit strange.

[FORSAKENR320]

Would you logically expand this right to carry a concealed handgun, in order to defend yourself, to federal buildings, airports, etc?

curse me for a texan, but, yes. i feel strongly that gun control should be an all or nothing thing. seems like the only places you hear about these shootings is in places where they are restricted. sure, there will be cases of shootings, but those would be done by people who are too unstable to control themselves. and face it, we have too many people in the world anyway. cull the heard a bit.

[FORSAKENR320]

You don't need one in those places. They're designed in ways so that entry points are at a minimum and security is at a maximum. Campuses and cities in general are very open places without localized security forces or means of providing equal footing for everyone, i.e. metal detectors at entry points with security personnel within close proximity.

Try harder.

i agree with your points. but you should be allowed to carry up to the point of entry. have a locker storage facility upon entry, or a safe way to transport so you can carry it right after you leave again. i can't tell you how many times i've heard about shootings, muggings and murders occuring on people who are leaving a club that has metal detectors, because people KNOW they are unarmed.

[James]

i agree with your points. but you should be allowed to carry up to the point of entry. have a locker storage facility upon entry, or a safe way to transport so you can carry it right after you leave again. i can't tell you how many times i've heard about shootings, muggings and murders occuring on people who are leaving a club that has metal detectors, because people KNOW they are unarmed.

Fair enough. Double entry check points would not be overly difficult to implement in such places. Kind of like how Tarrant County Jail (and I'm sure other places, but this is the only one I've actually seen) has lockers outside the entry point for all LEO to store their weapons prior to entering the actual building but after entering the garage.