Immigration issues (split from VT thread), guns, etc. Options

[chook]

everybody's racist a little bit sometimes.....

[Inferia]

i really don't like the idea that someone can come from another country with a visa and then arm themselves
and everyone keeps saying this dude went nuts....i think his actions were calculated
he was conscious of his actions and i wish people would stop making excuses for what he did
and how is denying gun purchasing to non citizens going to affect gun purchasing for citizens?

No one is making excuses for what he did. We're, or rather I am, just fighting for my right. Yes, his motives are calculated, and he has also been here for 14 fuckin' years. He hardly count as foreign.

I find it some of you have no idea what it is like to be an immigrant in this country and yet, you go as so much to think that we're offending you.

If America is the host, and we are the guest, then America is a very rude host sometimes. I sure as hope when I go over to someone's house they are polite to me. America is not a very polite country sometimes, in fact, a lot of time it's down right rude. Why do you think many countries hate America? It's this fuckin' attitude that you have. Do you even know how hard it is assemilation is? How hard it is when there isn't anyone to help you. You walk into this country blind, blinded by Hollywood, blinded by the news, and there really isn't a person here to show you the way. How well do you learn without someone guiding you. It's not like there's a book out there titled "How to be Americanized". And let's not even talk about how wrong that is. You think you feel weird walking into a Chinese store or a Mexican store, try walking that everyday of your fuckin' life and everywhere else you go. Yes, we're in this country in the form of a guest, and as guest we should be courteous, but as host, you should be just as courteous.

AND who the fuck said that immigrants are not on board to become Americans. Who the fuck give you the idea that foreigners are here just to soak up your money and take advantage of America. IN fact, most immigrants dream is to become an American citizen. But from the recent surge of all this anti-immigration, maybe, I will take my American education, I will take my Ph.D somewhere else where people are more accepting of people who are different. And with this attitude people have I suspect many foreign students will not want to stay in a country that is not at all welcoming, they will take away their knowledge, their degrees, and help another country to be a better country. Let's see who comes out the winner

Sorry Pysex, this is not really directed at you.

[pysex]

the way I see it, they are convoluting OUR society and we're having to change OUR culture to pacify them and check some PC box, lest offending someone. but they aren't even onboard enough to become americans. I mean at least have a vested interest in something if you want to change it.

yeah

and now anyone who thinks like that is a racist bigot

we're the ones in the wrong for wanting to preserve our society

[pysex]

If America is the host, and we are the guest, then America is a very rude host sometimes. I sure as hope when I go over to someone's house they are polite to me. America is not a very polite country sometimes, in fact, a lot of time it's down right rude. Why do you think many countries hate America? It's this fuckin' attitude that you have. Do you even know how hard it is assemilation is? How hard it is when there isn't anyone to help you. You walk into this country blind, blinded by Hollywood, blinded by the news, and there really isn't a person here to show you the way. How well do you learn without someone guiding you. It's not like there's a book out there titled "How to be Americanized". And let's not even talk about how wrong that is. You think you feel weird walking into a Chinese store or a Mexican store, try walking that everyday of your fuckin' life and everywhere else you go. Yes, we're in this country in the form of a guest, and as guest we should be courteous, but as host, you should be just as courteous. Sorry Pysex, this is not really directed at you.

I understand your frustration...I do.

But as you asked.."Why do you think many countries hate America?"

Do you think it's wise to let someone from another country come here and buy guns if so many countries hate us. What's to stop a terrorist from coming here and doing just that. We're supposed to be this amazing country of opportunity but assholes keep shittin in our front yard and calling us the bad guys.

[chook]

I was trying to find a book titled "How to be Americanized" and found this for me instead!
How to Attract Asian Women

[pysex]

I was trying to find a book titled "How to be Americanized" and found this for me instead!
How to Attract Asian Women

haha

[cupcake]

some of y'all need to head over to england and talk to the brits about how well being open-arms is going for them.

they are overrun hardcore and it is really impacting their great society.

[Inferia]

I understand your frustration...I do.

But as you asked.."Why do you think many countries hate America?"

Do you think it's wise to let someone from another country come here and buy guns if so many countries hate us. What's to stop a terrorist from coming here and doing just that. We're supposed to be this amazing country of opportunity but assholes keep shittin in our front yard and calling us the bad guys.

If they are really terroists, you really think they can't figure out a way to get guns in this country? I think it's kind of naive to think that by taking away their rights to buy guns then they won't be able to get it. Many Americans hate other Americans, do you think it's wise to let these people buy guns? Plus, a foreigner can board a plane and crash that plane into a tall building, do we then not allow foreign people fly in this country?

Sorry if I'm taking this really personally, but I'm in the process of debating whether if I want to become a citizen of this country. And shit like this really want me to have nothing to do with this country.

[kcroxyoursox]

He hardly count as foreign.

He's foreign-born, nothing he could do, no amount of patriotism or way of life and thinking, can change that fact. If I went and lived in Australia for 14 years, I would still be American because I was born in America.

You think you feel weird walking into a Chinese store or a Mexican store, try walking that everyday of your fuckin' life and everywhere else you go.

I find it hard to believe that EVERY SINGLE DAY of your life there's such a cataclysmic event that makes you feel so out of your element.

Who the fuck give you the idea that foreigners are here just to soak up your money and take advantage of America.

maybe, I will take my American education, I will take my Ph.D somewhere else

Do you contradict yourself? Very well, you contradict yourself.

[Inferia]

He's foreign-born, nothing he could do, no amount of patriotism or way of life and thinking, can change that fact. If I went and lived in Australia for 14 years, I would still be American because I was born in America.
I find it hard to believe that EVERY SINGLE DAY of your life there's such a cataclysmic event that makes you feel so out of your element.
Do you contradict yourself? Very well, you contradict yourself.

You're not 8 anymore, dear, it's not the same. How do you know what I feel? And I do not contradict myself. I would like to stay in this country, but people in this country sure as hell do not make it easy. Many people in this country sure as hell make me feel like I'm just soaking in your hard work. And by becoming citizen I will not feel differently, I will still foreign, because people in this country will make me feel foreign till the day I die.

[Dogmeat]

You're not 8 anymore, dear. And I do not contradict myself. I would like to stay in this country, but people in this country sure as hell do not make it easy. Many people in this country sure as hell make me feel like I'm just soaking in your hard work. And by becoming citizen I will not feel differently, I will still foreign, because people in this country will make me feel foreign till the day I die.

Honestly, my advice to people not born here but are here now or are citizens here.....it's so simple ... like ... even if you DO learn english, and speak english, and have an accent..

It's so simple to do this:

Cuss a lot.

I'm serious. Americans cuss like sailors. All of us do.

It's seriously like we relate better to people who cuss all the time ...

I'm serious, it works. A lot of the foreign guys who I'm working with now have adapted to this and the ones who have seriously feel more at home ... I've even talked to them about this.

It sounds crazy but I've seriously noticed this ...

[Inferia]

now that's just some muthafuckin' crazy shit, people everywhere cuss just as much as muthafuckin' americans, they just don't cuss in English.

[kcroxyoursox]

You're not 8 anymore, dear, it's not the same.

So age is the deciding factor? If my leaving at 22 makes me an American but him leaving at 8 doesn't make him Korean, what's the magical in between age where that changes? What if I had been 21, 20, 19, 18? What if he had been 9, 10, 11, 12?

How do you know what I feel?

You're right, I don't. But I have a sneaking suspicion if you felt so alienated day in and day out that you wouldn't be so interested in staying here.

[Dogmeat]

now that's just some muthafuckin' crazy shit, people everywhere cuss just as much as muthafuckin' americans, they just don't cuss in English.

whoa really?

I didnt know that hahah

[Inferia]

So age is the deciding factor? If my leaving at 22 makes me an American but him leaving at 8 doesn't make him Korean, what's the magical in between age where that changes? What if I had been 21, 20, 19, 18? What if he had been 9, 10, 11, 12?
You're right, I don't. But I have a sneaking suspicion if you felt so alienated day in and day out that you wouldn't be so interested in staying here.

It makes a huge difference. Leaving at the age of 20+ is very different from when you're 8 or so. At age 20 you are attached to this country. Your friends are here, your families are here, the world you've grown to know is in this country. At the age of 8, you don't know anything. Many people don't really remember much from before that age of the country you used to reside. You have very little connection to the people in that country, very little understand of their culture that they live in, you probably would hardly speak that language. And in essence you have become americanized. And it is very hard to Americanize someone at the age of 20 or even in their teens.

Personally, I don't feel that alienated in this country. But many people stay here even though they do because of the comfort this country provides them. And it is hard for those people. I don't think it is that difficult for Americans to offer a little help and understanding.