 What to do about Iran? |
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 Apr 4 2007, 07:50 AM
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QUOTE (Hartmann @ Apr 4 2007, 08:36 AM)  Also, isn't the exploitation of prisoners a violation of prisoner rights and against the Geneva Convention? Yeah, im pretty sure you are right on the money there |
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Apr 4 2007, 09:18 AM
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QUOTE (Hartmann @ Apr 4 2007, 08:36 AM) Does anyone know if the British military has a Code of Conduct like the Armed Forces Code of Conduct? The CoC that soldiers accept is that they will not cooperate with the enemy, even under duress. Name, rank, serial number. Also, isn't the exploitation of prisoners a violation of prisoner rights and against the Geneva Convention? I don't know if they do or not...but I know the code of conduct oftentimes gets thrown out the porthole...I've heard too often of guys breaking and admitting shit (even making stuff up) after some coersion...see McCain... |
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Apr 4 2007, 10:05 AM
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They've been released: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6525905.stm
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Apr 4 2007, 10:14 AM
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talk about pulling Briton's punk card...
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Apr 4 2007, 10:28 AM
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QUOTE (Hartmann @ Apr 4 2007, 07:36 AM) Does anyone know if the British military has a Code of Conduct like the Armed Forces Code of Conduct? The CoC that soldiers accept is that they will not cooperate with the enemy, even under duress. Name, rank, serial number. Also, isn't the exploitation of prisoners a violation of prisoner rights and against the Geneva Convention? name, rank & serial number are the minimum a soldier must give when taken by the enemy under the GC. Often POWs will give misleading information. I saw the history/discovery channel when a guy said in Vietnam (i think) what ever information he gave he factored it by 3. so instead of trying to remember the lie, he'd only ahve to remember by 3's on the truth. And yes, Exploiting prisoners is against GC...which Iran signed QUOTE Prisoners of war must at all times be protected, particularly against acts of violence or intimidation and against insults and public curiosity.
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Apr 4 2007, 10:30 AM
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New son Donovan Charles Mummert born July 17, 2008 Group: Members Posts: 8,635 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Port Wentworth, GA Member No.: 15 |
umm...wow
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Apr 4 2007, 11:08 AM
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im curious what they are going to say the second they leave Iran....like if they were forced to write the letters, say what they said...etc...
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Apr 4 2007, 12:00 PM
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me too.
from the footage they appeared to be having a pretty nice time...eating and playing with maps and smiling and shit... defintately not nick berg type conditions. |
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Apr 5 2007, 12:41 AM
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 Do they ignore parts of reality? Group: Moderators Posts: 2,935 Joined: 23-February 06 From: South Overton!!! Member No.: 46 |
QUOTE (woody @ Apr 4 2007, 11:28 AM) name, rank & serial number are the minimum a soldier must give when taken by the enemy under the GC. Often POWs will give misleading information. I saw the history/discovery channel when a guy said in Vietnam (i think) what ever information he gave he factored it by 3. so instead of trying to remember the lie, he'd only ahve to remember by 3's on the truth. And yes, Exploiting prisoners is against GC...which Iran signed The soldiers were not technically covered by the Geneva Convention because they were not technically prisoners of war. Iran is not at war with the United Kingdom. This post has been edited by Dr. Gonzo: Apr 5 2007, 12:50 AM -------------------- A psychotic world we live in. The madmen are in power. How long have we known this? Faced this? And--how many of us do know it? Perhaps if you know you are insane then you are not insane. Or you are becoming sane, finally. Waking up. I suppose only a few are aware of all this. Isolated persons here and there. But the broad masses... what do they think? All these hundreds of thousands in this city, here. Do they imagine that they live in a sane world? Or do they guess, glimpse, the truth...?
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Apr 5 2007, 07:51 AM
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QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Apr 5 2007, 01:41 AM) The soldiers were not technically covered by the Geneva Convention because they were not technically prisoners of war. Iran is not at war with the United Kingdom. So you've basically proved my point about Gitmo  Sorry to get off topic, but it seems a lot of people want the prisoners at Gitmo covered under the Geneva Convention even though the U.S. wasn't at war with Afghanistan and the prisoners did not fight under a unified flag.However, I think the British sailors would be covered under the Fourth Convention: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Geneva_Convention -------------------- "There is a level of cowardice lower than that of the conformist: that of the fashionable non-conformist." |
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Apr 5 2007, 08:39 AM
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QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Apr 5 2007, 12:41 AM) The soldiers were not technically covered by the Geneva Convention because they were not technically prisoners of war. Iran is not at war with the United Kingdom. QUOTE (Hartmann @ Apr 5 2007, 07:51 AM) So you've basically proved my point about Gitmo Sorry to get off topic, but it seems a lot of people want the prisoners at Gitmo covered under the Geneva Convention even though the U.S. wasn't at war with Afghanistan and the prisoners did not fight under a unified flag.However, I think the British sailors would be covered under the Fourth Convention: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Geneva_Convention word article 2 -------------------- |
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Apr 5 2007, 08:35 PM
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Do they ignore parts of reality? Group: Moderators Posts: 2,935 Joined: 23-February 06 From: South Overton!!! Member No.: 46 |
QUOTE (Hartmann @ Apr 5 2007, 08:51 AM) So you've basically proved my point about Gitmo Sorry to get off topic, but it seems a lot of people want the prisoners at Gitmo covered under the Geneva Convention even though the U.S. wasn't at war with Afghanistan and the prisoners did not fight under a unified flag.However, I think the British sailors would be covered under the Fourth Convention: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Geneva_Convention While we did not declare war on Afghanistan, for all practical purposes we invaded them. The same could be said about Vietnam. -------------------- A psychotic world we live in. The madmen are in power. How long have we known this? Faced this? And--how many of us do know it? Perhaps if you know you are insane then you are not insane. Or you are becoming sane, finally. Waking up. I suppose only a few are aware of all this. Isolated persons here and there. But the broad masses... what do they think? All these hundreds of thousands in this city, here. Do they imagine that they live in a sane world? Or do they guess, glimpse, the truth...?
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Apr 6 2007, 07:59 AM
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Group: Admin Posts: 3,403 Joined: 23-February 06 From: PDX/TXL Member No.: 35 |
QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Apr 5 2007, 09:35 PM) While we did not declare war on Afghanistan, for all practical purposes we invaded them. The same could be said about Vietnam. Yes, we invaded them but it was not anything like Vietnam or even Iraq. Afghanistan has been the model example of defeating guerrilla warfare. We are not sitting in cities like in Iraq. What would be comparable? I would say that Somalia or Kosovo are on par with what is going on in Afghanistan. We go in, we do the initial work, then the U.N. commits people to hold the peace. -------------------- "There is a level of cowardice lower than that of the conformist: that of the fashionable non-conformist." |
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Apr 6 2007, 08:42 AM
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Group: Members Posts: 1,761 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Lubbock/Dubai Member No.: 57 |
CNN:
BREAKING NEWS British sailors say treatment in Iran was "humane" but they were not allowed to communicate with each other and "feared the worst." UK sailors 'were in Iraqi waters' And that they were forced to say everything or face prison -------------------- bored...so i did this
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