RoR, ? Options

[woody]

Anyone used ruby on rails before?

I just d/l'd it & i was pretty impressed, wondering if any of yall had any opinions about it

[Hartmann]

Anyone used ruby on rails before?

I just d/l'd it & i was pretty impressed, wondering if any of yall had any opinions about it

I like the idea behind it and the way it is implemented... The syntax is very strange to me. It reminds me of an arcane Python. But for quick implementations, it's good stuff.

[zetec]

I've heard good things and bad things, but I haven't heard anything about it at all in quite some time. Haven't really paid attention to it at all.

[Seeker]

i'll never use it because it doesn't seem to have any real advantage over LAMP

[Hartmann]

i'll never use it because it doesn't seem to have any real advantage over LAMP

Well true MVC (actually it's forced) is nice and the fact that everything is an object by default is cool too.

RAD is nice.

[impala454]

never heard of it... what's the scoop?

[Hartmann]

never heard of it... what's the scoop?

Scripting language developed in Japan developed into a RAD tool. Not .NET, move it along.

[impala454]

Scripting language developed in Japan developed into a RAD tool. Not .NET, move it along.

ok asshole i was simply asking what it is because i was curious. i didn't say a fucking thing about .net.

[Mommy]

LETS START ARGUING HERE TOOOOOOOO

WINDOWS MAC SOUTHWEST AMERICAN CONTINENTAL ROR NET

[Hartmann]

ok asshole i was simply asking what it is because i was curious. i didn't say a fucking thing about .net.

I was just being sarcastic while answering your question. I told you exactly what RoR was and threw in a funny little comment.

You want to take that as me being an asshole, you go right ahead.

[impala454]

yep, you're the good guy let me tell ya. you told me it was a scripting language and threw in a jab at me about .net. if i'd made a jab at you about macs, you'd be cryin. i guess i'll just look it up rather than attempting to continue discussion about the topic.

[Hartmann]

yep, you're the good guy let me tell ya. you told me it was a scripting language and threw in a jab at me about .net. if i'd made a jab at you about macs, you'd be cryin. i guess i'll just look it up rather than attempting to continue discussion about the topic.

I told you exactly what it was...

I wouldn't be crying if you made fun of macs, I wasn't even making fun of .NET. I've said before, I use .NET everyday and though I don't like everything about it, it works. You on the other hand have a very limited user knowledge of Macs but act like anything cool that Mac users find is stupid. There's a difference.

What's funny is that RoR is very Mac-centric, though it can be used on Windows just fine. The one guy who developed it was a Mac user so he developed a lot of tools for the Mac along the way. There are versions now for Windows as well.

Think of it this way, it does what we usually have to do in .NET for us, the configuration changes in our XML, etc. and lets us focus on application functionality. (see, I am being nice).

[impala454]

i wasn't attempting to turn this into a .NET discussion, or compare it to .NET. I'm just curious how the thing works. you got your little jab in acting like I don't know anything but .NET, which most definitely isn't true. my last few weeks here i haven't even opened VS2005. so just enjoy your little stupid mindless jab don't reneg on it like you didn't start anything.

So is it it's own language completely? or is it rehashed C++ with some different kind of IDE? off the shelf product or open source? i assume if it's scripting that means it's not compiled? so you have to have some type of server side apps installed (similiar to php?)? is it for creating web pages only or do people create forms apps with it too? I'd like to create a decent website for myself, and the server I use has just about everything (php, .net 2.0, coldfusion, etc), I'm just trying to decide what to go with and this sounded like something different i could give a shot maybe. if it sucks though just say so

[Hartmann]

i wasn't attempting to turn this into a .NET discussion, or compare it to .NET. I'm just curious how the thing works. you got your little jab in acting like I don't know anything but .NET, which most definitely isn't true. my last few weeks here i haven't even opened VS2005. so just enjoy your little stupid mindless jab don't reneg on it like you didn't start anything.

So is it it's own language completely? or is it rehashed C++ with some different kind of IDE? off the shelf product or open source? i assume if it's scripting that means it's not compiled? so you have to have some type of server side apps installed (similiar to php?)? is it for creating web pages only or do people create forms apps with it too? I'd like to create a decent website for myself, and the server I use has just about everything (php, .net 2.0, coldfusion, etc), I'm just trying to decide what to go with and this sounded like something different i could give a shot maybe. if it sucks though just say so

Seriously, I wasn't trying to turn this into a debate. I was trying to be funny which obviously failed miserably. That's the truth. Take it or leave it, that's the last thing I'll say about it.


Back to RoR. It started with Ruby, which is a scripting language developed in Japan. It is similar to Python with a slightly different syntax and a different treatment for OO. Everything in Ruby is an object, even the methods that define the objects (ex: var.Type will return "String", which then you can access the String properties), kind of like C#

Anyway, a guy liked the OO implementation and decided to build an MVC wrapper for it which has evolved into Ruby on Rails. In and of itself it is not a language separate from Ruby, just a framework that sits on top of Ruby enforcing MVC.

You have a Ruby interpreter that sits on the server (just like PHP). You can create Form apps with Ruby but I have not seen anything done in Rails as like I said above, it's just a wrapper really for MVC and Rapid Application Development. When you create a Rails app you send a command to the Rails server and it creates a folder structure (looks like what you would have for a Struts or .NET app) and the basic database structure. It creates the basic configs and gets you started on your way. The cool factor is up there.

There are heated debates about the speed of applications written in PHP vs. those written in RoR and to be honest I haven't seen a noticeable difference. I will say I like PHP more just because I am comfortable with the C-like syntax. I want to spend more time playing with it but just haven't had the chance.

Also, if you do try out RoR, check out Django which is a similar project but built on top of Python.

[impala454]

yeah speed isn't a huge deal on a personal site so that's why i'm opening it up to try new things in this case. I seem to remember Ruby as a scripting language now... was used in some computer game addons lately if I recall (simliar to how lua is used in world of warcraft).

ah wait nm i remember now, we used Ruby in Concepts of Programming Languages while I was a tech.