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 Feb 21 2007, 01:29 PM
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yeah i think that america should step back and let them form their own government because if we do it for them it only breeds resentment, dependence and eventually more dissent.
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Feb 21 2007, 02:35 PM
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 Do they ignore parts of reality? Group: Moderators Posts: 2,935 Joined: 23-February 06 From: South Overton!!! Member No.: 46 |
There is one problem with withdrawing, The last thing that America wants is a Shiite fundamentalist regime in southern Iraq like the one in Iran...
Yay, we disposed of a secular fascist only for him to be replaced by crazy fundies!!! -------------------- A psychotic world we live in. The madmen are in power. How long have we known this? Faced this? And--how many of us do know it? Perhaps if you know you are insane then you are not insane. Or you are becoming sane, finally. Waking up. I suppose only a few are aware of all this. Isolated persons here and there. But the broad masses... what do they think? All these hundreds of thousands in this city, here. Do they imagine that they live in a sane world? Or do they guess, glimpse, the truth...?
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Feb 21 2007, 04:27 PM
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it's a fad... almost a competition, to see who can publicly diss bush the most. it's getting annoying really, right up there with all the damn britney talk. stfu already (at the TV/press/politicians)
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Feb 21 2007, 08:31 PM
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Corrupting the youth of America Group: Members Posts: 528 Joined: 12-May 06 From: Alice, TX Member No.: 176 |
QUOTE (Renegadepeon @ Feb 20 2007, 07:07 AM)  Though I mostly agree with your post (the point you're trying to make), I do have to ask a possibly derailing question: How is putting in our own puppet "democratic" government considered helping the people in that area? From what I understand, a good majority of the people there were perfectly happy with Saddam. Im just saying that it had the potential to help those people in that way....too bad we have a bad habit of choosing bad leaders for anyone....see also Cuba and Afganistan. I also have to agree tho that I think the majoriy of people were afraid of the things saddam would do to them....even after the fall of the dictator there is a lot of stigma...the whole "if he comes back...im fucked" idea. -------------------- Brandon....you're the reason I'm pro-choice.
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Feb 21 2007, 08:37 PM
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QUOTE (RitalinJunkie @ Feb 21 2007, 08:31 PM) I also have to agree tho that I think the majoriy of people were afraid of the things saddam would do to them....even after the fall of the dictator there is a lot of stigma...the whole "if he comes back...im fucked" idea. hmm, zombie saddam... |
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Feb 21 2007, 10:17 PM
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QUOTE (lamont's lament @ Feb 21 2007, 08:37 PM) hmm, zombie saddam... mmmm.... zombie jf kennedy and zombie monroe live on pay per view... oh wait. we cant have a zombie jf kennedy. he allready had his brains blown out. maybe a zombie che arises to see how he is a commercialized patsy. -------------------- 32-bit whore
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Feb 22 2007, 12:26 PM
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QUOTE (Divergent Reality @ Feb 21 2007, 10:17 PM) mmmm.... zombie jf kennedy and zombie monroe live on pay per view... oh wait. we cant have a zombie jf kennedy. he allready had his brains blown out. maybe a zombie che arises to see how he is a commercialized patsy. why not? we already got a zombie Cher and i'm pretty sure Joan Rivers is one of the undead --------------------  QUOTE (Jessica @ May 7 2007, 01:15 PM) but yeehaw dammit. YEEHAW QUOTE (Dogmeat @ Jun 26 2008, 07:51 PM) ok once upon a time I jacked myself off retarded. Licking anuses, one kindergarten class at a time!! |
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Feb 22 2007, 08:30 PM
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goddamnit. this was a political thread NOT a zombie thread, why did it turn into one? Charlie?
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Feb 22 2007, 10:40 PM
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The Stalin comparison is a faulty one because the United States never invaded the U.S.S.R. and overthrew its government.
The point of this thread was comparing the less-than-desirable situation in Iraq to the complete fuck-up that was Vietnam. The vast, vast majority of the Vietnamese people - except for Vietnamese Catholics who feared religious persecution - heartily supported Ho Chi Minh. Truthfully, had the West had democratic principles in mind, 50,000+ Americans would not have died for nothing. An agreement reached in Geneva in 1954 provided for national elections in 1956 that would - one way or the other - re-unify the country. Two years came and went, and the West simply ignored the deadline. At this point, to even begin to compare the Third Gulf War (2003-2007, 3,151 U.S. military deaths) to Vietnam (1959-1975, 58,209 U.S. military deaths) is irresponsible. Although, to be fair, you could say that both were begun by a single lie. |
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Feb 22 2007, 11:17 PM
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Do they ignore parts of reality? Group: Moderators Posts: 2,935 Joined: 23-February 06 From: South Overton!!! Member No.: 46 |
QUOTE (impala454 @ Feb 21 2007, 04:27 PM) it's a fad... almost a competition, to see who can publicly diss bush the most. it's getting annoying really, right up there with all the damn britney talk. stfu already (at the TV/press/politicians) Don't forget the Anna Nicole Smith bullshit -------------------- A psychotic world we live in. The madmen are in power. How long have we known this? Faced this? And--how many of us do know it? Perhaps if you know you are insane then you are not insane. Or you are becoming sane, finally. Waking up. I suppose only a few are aware of all this. Isolated persons here and there. But the broad masses... what do they think? All these hundreds of thousands in this city, here. Do they imagine that they live in a sane world? Or do they guess, glimpse, the truth...?
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Feb 22 2007, 11:18 PM
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Do they ignore parts of reality? Group: Moderators Posts: 2,935 Joined: 23-February 06 From: South Overton!!! Member No.: 46 |
QUOTE (Aaron @ Feb 22 2007, 10:40 PM) The Stalin comparison is a faulty one because the United States never invaded the U.S.S.R. and overthrew its government. The point of this thread was comparing the less-than-desirable situation in Iraq to the complete fuck-up that was Vietnam. The vast, vast majority of the Vietnamese people - except for Vietnamese Catholics who feared religious persecution - heartily supported Ho Chi Minh. Truthfully, had the West had democratic principles in mind, 50,000+ Americans would not have died for nothing. An agreement reached in Geneva in 1954 provided for national elections in 1956 that would - one way or the other - re-unify the country. Two years came and went, and the West simply ignored the deadline. At this point, to even begin to compare the Third Gulf War (2003-2007, 3,151 U.S. military deaths) to Vietnam (1959-1975, 58,209 U.S. military deaths) is irresponsible. Although, to be fair, you could say that both were begun by a single lie. The Stalin/Saddam comparison is not faulty. I was merely commenting on the character of Saddam in reference to Stalin. Both men were paranoid mass murderers with a god complex... This post has been edited by Dr. Gonzo: Feb 22 2007, 11:19 PM -------------------- A psychotic world we live in. The madmen are in power. How long have we known this? Faced this? And--how many of us do know it? Perhaps if you know you are insane then you are not insane. Or you are becoming sane, finally. Waking up. I suppose only a few are aware of all this. Isolated persons here and there. But the broad masses... what do they think? All these hundreds of thousands in this city, here. Do they imagine that they live in a sane world? Or do they guess, glimpse, the truth...?
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Feb 22 2007, 11:43 PM
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I meant in the context of the comparison of the Third Gulf War to the Vietnam Conflict.
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Feb 22 2007, 11:44 PM
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Do they ignore parts of reality? Group: Moderators Posts: 2,935 Joined: 23-February 06 From: South Overton!!! Member No.: 46 |
Well yeah, the thread went into a tangent
In addition: I agree that most Vietnamese supported Ho Chi Minh. The South Vietnamese "government" was little more than a US puppet. This post has been edited by Dr. Gonzo: Feb 22 2007, 11:47 PM -------------------- A psychotic world we live in. The madmen are in power. How long have we known this? Faced this? And--how many of us do know it? Perhaps if you know you are insane then you are not insane. Or you are becoming sane, finally. Waking up. I suppose only a few are aware of all this. Isolated persons here and there. But the broad masses... what do they think? All these hundreds of thousands in this city, here. Do they imagine that they live in a sane world? Or do they guess, glimpse, the truth...?
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