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Timbo
post Jan 21 2007, 03:54 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVdH1G0KQt4

This is one area where the French have us beat. They protest by tearing through police, turning over cars and burning shit up. It's a shame, really sad.gif

I wouldn't be so disillusioned to say that I would do all those things at the heat of the moment, unfortunately, but damn, it sorta saddens me that when the police hits, they don't hit back sad.gif Protestors will ALWAYS outnumber police. Meh.


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post Jan 21 2007, 04:39 AM
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QUOTE (Timbo @ Jan 21 2007, 03:54 AM) *
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVdH1G0KQt4

This is one area where the French have us beat. They protest by tearing through police, turning over cars and burning shit up. It's a shame, really sad.gif

I wouldn't be so disillusioned to say that I would do all those things at the heat of the moment, unfortunately, but damn, it sorta saddens me that when the police hits, they don't hit back sad.gif Protestors will ALWAYS outnumber police. Meh.


we are a nation of chaos, not a nation of anarchy. i think that one of the great points of the way our system was designed is the ability for the public to protest the government to inspire change. not the active idea of trying to over throw it.


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post Jan 21 2007, 02:25 PM
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QUOTE (FORSAKENR320 @ Jan 21 2007, 04:39 AM) *
we are a nation of chaos, not a nation of anarchy. i think that one of the great points of the way our system was designed is the ability for the public to protest the government to inspire change. not the active idea of trying to over throw it.


well the French have that whole "overthrowing the government" thing in their blood, so.

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post Jan 21 2007, 02:35 PM
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the french would rather fight themselves than band together to fight someone else


history has proven this


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post Jan 21 2007, 02:44 PM
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I laughed at that video...

The protesters act like it's Kent State with complete and utter chaos and they are going to make people feel sorry for them because they get a taser shock. Maybe if they protested like the counter culture of the 60's and 70's instead of hiding behind a mask and spray painting crap they would get some respect.

I was at the Texas capitol building during the Nazi rally and there were some people dressed just like the tards in this video and you know what, their cause isn't even known because all they want to do is start an uprising (violent).

The problem is that this war (Iraq) may be unpopular but sadly, Americans have lost interest, so all of the protesting that goes on does do anything but get a few people fighting and losing sight over the purpose.


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post Jan 21 2007, 03:25 PM
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Oh, and another thing, it's pretty bad when people who are protesting something don't really know why they are protesting... rolleyes.gif

"Why are you protesting the recruiters?"

"Because this is an illegal war"

uh huh... ok, so let's protest recruiters. What?! The recruiters didn't call for an invasion and people aren't being drafted. Of course recruiters lie. Do people really think a potential recruit wants to see pictures of maimed soldiers? No.

I don't agree with all of the recruitment methods (ie. the phone call at the end) but protesting recruiters because you can't organize enough people to protest the war is stupid. Also, if you're going to protest, get a permit so that they don't bring out the dogs.


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post Jan 21 2007, 04:12 PM
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QUOTE (FORSAKENR320 @ Jan 21 2007, 04:39 AM) *
we are a nation of chaos, not a nation of anarchy. i think that one of the great points of the way our system was designed is the ability for the public to protest the government to inspire change. not the active idea of trying to over throw it.



Chaos = anarchy

We are not a nation of chaos


The French have a history of bloody revolution. In America, we elect new officials if we are unhappy with the government. In France, they start revolutions/protest to change their governments. In most cases, these overthrows are quite violent in nature. Europeans (not including British/Germans), usually don't have a problem with questioning authority, laws etc. We follow in the tradition of the British, who usually have peaceful transitions of power/ obey laws on some moral standing.

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the french would rather fight themselves than band together to fight someone else


history has proven this


(except on few rare occasions)


You need to study history...

100 years war anyone???

The only war that I can think of where the French were "split" was world war 2. That was due to two different factions in France. One was the catholic, conservative, jew hating French who sided with Hitler. The other was of course the secularist, communist, and the liberals who fought Hitler. They have a history of revolutions, this much is true but when push comes to shove the French will band together to fight off enemies. The stereotype of the cowardly French is undeserved. Just because they do not agree on all policy issues with the United States and follow their own interests does not make them cowards.


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post Jan 21 2007, 04:22 PM
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Protesters need to begin carrying pepper spray and tasers to make things fair.


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post Jan 21 2007, 05:09 PM
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What about semi automatic weapons with rubber bullets?


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post Jan 21 2007, 05:11 PM
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QUOTE (Hartmann @ Jan 21 2007, 03:25 PM) *
Oh, and another thing, it's pretty bad when people who are protesting something don't really know why they are protesting... rolleyes.gif

"Why are you protesting the recruiters?"

"Because this is an illegal war"

uh huh... ok, so let's protest recruiters. What?! The recruiters didn't call for an invasion and people aren't being drafted. Of course recruiters lie. Do people really think a potential recruit wants to see pictures of maimed soldiers? No.

I don't agree with all of the recruitment methods (ie. the phone call at the end) but protesting recruiters because you can't organize enough people to protest the war is stupid. Also, if you're going to protest, get a permit so that they don't bring out the dogs.



It defeats the purpose to protest legally. The only way things get changed is when daily life is disturbed. All you have to do is look at the civil rights movement with the sit ins and various protests/strikes that forced change.


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post Jan 21 2007, 05:19 PM
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QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Jan 21 2007, 05:11 PM) *
It defeats the purpose to protest legally. The only way things get changed is when daily life is disturbed. All you have to do is look at the civil rights movement with the sit ins and various protests/strikes that forced change.


But civil rights was different....


See, by protesting illegally and having the police bring out the tear gas and dogs the protesters are trying to get people to feel sorry for them. For the civil rights movement, this is fine because the issue was with the people protesting.

It's a little different for this situation because the issue does not concern those protesting so to do it illegally and have the dogs come out does nothing to make me think about the issue.

Just my opinion though.


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post Jan 21 2007, 05:24 PM
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Different situation, but what I said about protesting in general stands


Note: I did not watch the video, my internet is being weird

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post Jan 21 2007, 05:26 PM
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They tried shutting down a street to protest. Those who were in the street got tasered. I agree with hartman about not knowing why you're protesting. These people are seriously society's rejects.


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post Jan 21 2007, 06:03 PM
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What is the point in protesting if you don't have some motive to protest??


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The older people seemed to know the cause better. Most of the kids seem like the type who will protest something to make them feel better about their meaningless lives.


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