Bush vs. Congress Options

[Psykopath]

keeping an army across seas is not a show of strength to iraq. it's a show to everyone else

So just every so often we need to pick out a weak nation, run them into the ground, then act like we're the toughest bully on the playground?



Yeah, that's some shitty foreign policy (not disagreeing that it exists, just feel it's a worthless endeavor). Many more tasks could be undertaken with a greater reward for many.

But I hate having our military be TEAM AMERICA: WORLD POLICE all the time.

*random insult*

*/reply to random insult*

Durka durka done.

[Spectatrix]

Durka durka jihad.

[Divergent Realit...]

Durka durka jihad.

its actually durka durka mohammed jihad

remember, mohammed before jihad except after allah

[Mommy]

its actually durka durka mohammed jihad

remember, mohammed before jihad except after allah

I giggled

[pysex]

it should've been iran....not iraq

[GOB]

it should've been iran....not iraq

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[FORSAKENR320]

Well, as is typical, you didn't address my inquiry. Yep, he didn't allow inspectors in for 5 years, then allowed them again, then the U.S. called them back and we attacked. Haven't found much of anything in almost 5 years. But hey, we'll be there for quite a bit longer than that so maybe we can find those elusive chemical weapons factories that were so clearly marked on maps used to justify the war...

...so you're going with the "broke international law" justification. But I was trying to understand the reasoning behind saying "they (Iraq) attacked us" (I assume that's an allusion to 9/11).

I also get tired of reading the myriad of causes put forth to justify that cluster fuck.

well, yea, he had 5 years to hide the things....


and what i implied was that we sent an army when the public wanted us to kick some ass. we just made another stop on the way home. i don't care about any world peace dancing through the tulips and everyone is supposed to be happy hippie bullshit. the man hung, the country is in chaos, and america i'm sure is somehow reaping the benifits. i am comfortable with that

[FORSAKENR320]

So just every so often we need to pick out a weak nation, run them into the ground, then act like we're the toughest bully on the playground?

Yeah, that's some shitty foreign policy (not disagreeing that it exists, just feel it's a worthless endeavor). Many more tasks could be undertaken with a greater reward for many.

But I hate having our military be TEAM AMERICA: WORLD POLICE all the time.

*random insult*

*/reply to random insult*

Durka durka done.

dude, that nation is far from weak. but yes. humanity is not some special species. we are animals. animals always have the alpha male. the art of diplomacy is saying "nice doggie" while picking up a big rock. and the end of every diplomatic action is to pick up a gun. it sucks, but thats the way the world is.


hippies always have an impossible agenda, because they know that they will always have another reason to throw a pot-beer-drug-rape-induced-musical-protest-party and pretend they are accomplishing something

[impala454]

Well, as is typical, you didn't address my inquiry. Yep, he didn't allow inspectors in for 5 years, then allowed them again, then the U.S. called them back and we attacked. Haven't found much of anything in almost 5 years. But hey, we'll be there for quite a bit longer than that so maybe we can find those elusive chemical weapons factories that were so clearly marked on maps used to justify the war...

...so you're going with the "broke international law" justification. But I was trying to understand the reasoning behind saying "they (Iraq) attacked us" (I assume that's an allusion to 9/11).

I also get tired of reading the myriad of causes put forth to justify that cluster fuck.

no, it's not an allusion to 9/11. it's obvious that iraq never attacked us, and that you were being sarcastic in your question to begin with.

and let me ask you and every other person on this board who doesn't think saddam ever had any weapons this:

when you were little, and doing something wrong, and heard your momma coming, did you just sit there and keep doing it wrong, or did you fuckin put the shit away before you got caught? geezus you people are naive

[Psykopath]

no, it's not an allusion to 9/11. it's obvious that iraq never attacked us, and that you were being sarcastic in your question to begin with.

and let me ask you and every other person on this board who doesn't think saddam ever had any weapons this:

when you were little, and doing something wrong, and heard your momma coming, did you just sit there and keep doing it wrong, or did you fuckin put the shit away before you got caught? geezus you people are naive

And people like you are incapable of admitting when you are wrong.

Jeez you people are hard-headed.


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And LOL Brandon. Calling me a hippie because I actually feel that war is not the only option when it comes to international politics.

Simply wow man. Please, for the sake of all humanity: never enter international politics. One Bush is more than enough for the history of mankind.

Am I being an ass? You're goddamn right I am. I'm sick of this assumption that I'm a hippie/potsmoking/tree-hugging/etc. douchebag just because I actually believe in the diplomatic process as opposed to the "shoot first, ask questions later/kill 'em all, let god sort 'em out" mentality.

[The Fanatic]

The facts:

Saddam had weapons of mass destruction before and shortly after the gulf war

These weapons were given to him by the United States of America to fight Iran

Saddam used these weapons on Iranians, Kurds, Sunnis, etc. The United States did nothing

Saddam invades Kuwait in 1991, the united states retaliates because of oil interests which over ride their past dealings with the Iraqi dictator

Weapons are seized, destroyed, and Iraq is devastated by over a decade of economic sanctions and the "food for oil" program

What they told us:

Saddam was partly responsible for the 9/11 attacks. False, Osama Bin Laden and his terrorist network were responsible for 9/11; unless of course you believe we attacked ourselves.

Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. False: these weapons were never discovered, they were destroyed after the gulf war, even Hans Blix and other UN inspectors found no evidence of weapons of mass destruction. Even if he did have weapons, the United States gave these weapons to him.)

We invaded Iraq to bring democracy to that part of the world. False, The invasion has created a civil war and
an ever increasing conflict that the American people are no longer willing to fight. Some argue that the war was fought for oil, revenge, and/ or strategic reasons. I will not argue on the real reasons, because only Bush and his cronies know.

What should we do:

Congress must halt the increased troop deployment in Iraq (Congress does have the power of the purse). This war is not winnable. The Iraqi people will continue to fight until one side has become victorious. The only thing the United States can do is train the Iraqi forces in Iraqi and begin to pull out gradually. The last thing we need is to increase troops

[Mommy]

The facts:

Saddam had weapons of mass destruction before and shortly after the gulf war

These weapons were given to him by the United States of America to fight Iran

Saddam used these weapons on Iranians, Kurds, Sunnis, etc. The United States did nothing

Saddam invades Kuwait in 1991, the united states retaliates because of oil interests which over ride their past dealings with the Iraqi dictator

Weapons are seized, destroyed, and Iraq is devastated by over a decade of economic sanctions and the "food for oil" program

What they told us:

Saddam was partly responsible for the 9/11 attacks. False, Osama Bin Laden and his terrorist network were responsible for 9/11; unless of course you believe we attacked ourselves.

Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. False: these weapons were never discovered, they were destroyed after the gulf war, even Hans Blix and other UN inspectors found no evidence of weapons of mass destruction. Even if he did have weapons, the United States gave these weapons to him.)

We invaded Iraq to bring democracy to that part of the world. False, The invasion has created a civil war and
an ever increasing conflict that the American people are no longer willing to fight. Some argue that the war was fought for oil, revenge, and/ or strategic reasons. I will not argue on the real reasons, because only Bush and his cronies know.

What should we do:

Congress must halt the increased troop deployment in Iraq (Congress does have the power of the purse). This war is not winnable. The Iraqi people will continue to fight until one side has become victorious. The only thing the United States can do is train the Iraqi forces in Iraqi and begin to pull out gradually. The last thing we need is to increase troops

you sound like Michael Moore... and that is definitely NOT a compliment

[The Fanatic]

I fucking hate Michael Moore. How exactly do I sound like him? I could retort by saying you sound like a Nazi bitch...

[Mommy]

And people like you are incapable of admitting when you are wrong.

Jeez you people are hard-headed.


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And LOL Brandon. Calling me a hippie because I actually feel that war is not the only option when it comes to international politics.

Simply wow man. Please, for the sake of all humanity: never enter international politics. One Bush is more than enough for the history of mankind.

Am I being an ass? You're goddamn right I am. I'm sick of this assumption that I'm a hippie/potsmoking/tree-hugging/etc. douchebag just because I actually believe in the diplomatic process as opposed to the "shoot first, ask questions later/kill 'em all, let god sort 'em out" mentality.

Ummm..... Im sure we played nicely for long enough with Saddam. There is a breaking point. Saddamn was playing cat and mouse with the US and the United Nations for a long time. He could have stopped "his country" from going to war. Im glad he is dead even though I outright refuse to watch the video of him being put to death

[GOB]

How exactly do I sound like him?

maybe by reciting lines from fahrenheit 911?

(i'm only guessing because i've never seen it-- not a big fan of comedies)



while i agree that we weren't right to go over there with the evidence we had, these sorry fucks only respond to violence. you can't reason with a bunch of illiterate, brainwashed sheep. somebody has to keep some sort of order (there is an acceptable amount of violence. genocide and subjugation of entire ethnic groups are not acceptable) over there, and if it takes our help, i don't see a problem. there's no turning back until a reasonable medium is reached.