Israel plans Iran nuke attack Options

[Mommy]

im jewish

I cant tell if you are joking or not. Either way, I need proof

[Psykopath]

I cant tell if you are joking or not. Either way, I need proof

Her clitoris is circumcised.


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[Testm0nkey]

i come out with a slightly smoked flavor. hereditary

[Mommy]

yikes... both responses were funny

[Aaron]

Yes, many in Iran despise the west. It's a problem that has been raging for over a thousand years and won't be solved within a year, 10 years, or even our lifetimes most likely.

While Europe and the Middle East have a long history of animosity that dates back even before the first Crusades in the 11th Century, the origins of the current conflict can be dated back to the first half of the 20th Century.

1) The Anglo-American Alliance's role for establishing an independent Jewish state after World War I and, post 1948, their staunch support for the state of Israel. It should be noted that, during the first half of the 20th Century, most of the illwill in the Arab world for this act was pointed towards Great Britain.

2) The ignorant and arbitrary way that the victorious Allies sliced up the Ottoman Empire after World War I. They created the Kingdom of Jordan out of Syria, carved Lebanon out of Syria so that a Christian state could control most of the Syrian coastline and gave the Sunni minority control of Iraq.

3) During the Cold War, the Anglo-American Alliance fought the growth of nationalism in the region. The West encouraged division, rather than unity, within the Arab world.

Additionally, a lot can be blamed on the - let's face it - ignorance prevalent in the Arab world. Most Arab countries are poor, autocratic, uneducated and highly religious. Their ignorance is institutionalized. Some of this can be blamed on what the West did during the Cold War but not everything; the United States isn't holding a gun to the head of the Saudi Royal Family saying, "You better keep on oppressing women!"

All of this being said, I wouldn't mind one bit if Israel did our dirty work for us.

[Seussninja]

While Europe and the Middle East have a long history of animosity that dates back even before the first Crusades in the 11th Century, the origins of the current conflict can be dated back to the first half of the 20th Century.

1) The Anglo-American Alliance's role for establishing an independent Jewish state after World War I and, post 1948, their staunch support for the state of Israel. It should be noted that, during the first half of the 20th Century, most of the illwill in the Arab world for this act was pointed towards Great Britain.

2) The ignorant and arbitrary way that the victorious Allies sliced up the Ottoman Empire after World War I. They created the Kingdom of Jordan out of Syria, carved Lebanon out of Syria so that a Christian state could control most of the Syrian coastline and gave the Sunni minority control of Iraq.

3) During the Cold War, the Anglo-American Alliance fought the growth of nationalism in the region. The West encouraged division, rather than unity, within the Arab world.

Additionally, a lot can be blamed on the - let's face it - ignorance prevalent in the Arab world. Most Arab countries are poor, autocratic, uneducated and highly religious. Their ignorance is institutionalized. Some of this can be blamed on what the West did during the Cold War but not everything; the United States isn't holding a gun to the head of the Saudi Royal Family saying, "You better keep on oppressing women!"

All of this being said, I wouldn't mind one bit if Israel did our dirty work for us.

Most Intelligent thing that has been stated yet. Voting this. Well, except for maybe the last part.

[The Fanatic]

While Europe and the Middle East have a long history of animosity that dates back even before the first Crusades in the 11th Century, the origins of the current conflict can be dated back to the first half of the 20th Century.

1) The Anglo-American Alliance's role for establishing an independent Jewish state after World War I and, post 1948, their staunch support for the state of Israel. It should be noted that, during the first half of the 20th Century, most of the illwill in the Arab world for this act was pointed towards Great Britain.

2) The ignorant and arbitrary way that the victorious Allies sliced up the Ottoman Empire after World War I. They created the Kingdom of Jordan out of Syria, carved Lebanon out of Syria so that a Christian state could control most of the Syrian coastline and gave the Sunni minority control of Iraq.

3) During the Cold War, the Anglo-American Alliance fought the growth of nationalism in the region. The West encouraged division, rather than unity, within the Arab world.

Additionally, a lot can be blamed on the - let's face it - ignorance prevalent in the Arab world. Most Arab countries are poor, autocratic, uneducated and highly religious. Their ignorance is institutionalized. Some of this can be blamed on what the West did during the Cold War but not everything; the United States isn't holding a gun to the head of the Saudi Royal Family saying, "You better keep on oppressing women!"

All of this being said, I wouldn't mind one bit if Israel did our dirty work for us.

You could add an example to three. Namely, the overthrow of Mossadegh. He was the first democratically elected prime minister in Iranian history. When he nationalized the oil industry, the British felt it was in their best interests to reinstate the shah.

The government of Britain had grown increasingly distressed over Mossadegh's policies and were especially bitter over the loss of their control on the Iranian oil industry. Despite Mossadegh's repeated attempts to negotiate a reasonable settlement with them they refused outright the same terms, and later total control over Iranian oil. [citation needed]

Unable to resolve the issue singlehandedly due to its post second world war problems, Britain looked towards the United States to settle the issue. The United States was falsely informed that Mossadegh was increasingly turning towards Communism and was moving Iran towards the Soviet sphere at a time of high Cold War fears. [8] [4][5][6]

Acting on the fears created by Britain, the United States and Britain began to publicly denounce Mossadegh's policies for Iran as harmful to the country.

In October 1952 Mossadegh declared that Britain was "an enemy", and cut all diplomatic relations with the United Kingdom. In November and December 1952 British intelligence officials suggested to American intelligence that the prime minister should be ousted. The new US administration under Dwight Eisenhower and the British government under Winston Churchill agreed to work together toward Mossadegh's removal. In March 1953 Secretary of State John Foster Dulles directed the US Central Intelligence Agency, which was headed by his younger brother Allen Dulles, to draft plans to overthrow Mossadegh [7].

On 4 April 1953 CIA director Dulles approved $1 million to be used "in any way that would bring about the fall of Mossadegh". Soon the CIA's Tehran station started to launch a propaganda campaign against Mossadegh. Finally, according to The New York Times, in early June, American and British intelligence officials met again, this time in Beirut, and put the finishing touches on the strategy. Soon afterward, according to his later published accounts, the chief of the CIA's Near East and Africa division, Kermit Roosevelt, Jr., a grandson of Theodore Roosevelt, arrived in Tehran to direct it... Funded with money from the U.S. CIA and the British MI6, the pro-monarchy forces, led by retired army General and former Minister of Interior in Mossadegh's cabinet, Fazlollah Zahedi, gained the upper hand on 19 August 1953 (28 Mordad). The military intervened as the pro-Shah tank regiments stormed the capital and bombarded the prime minister's official residence

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Mossadegh

I would also add that Iran is NOT an arab state. The majority of Iranians are Persian in ethnicity NOT Arab.

This post has been edited by Dr. Gonzo: Jan 8 2007, 10:55 AM

[impala454]

You peace lovers have to look at it from all perspectives though. Iran's president has come out and declared before that Israel must be wiped off the map. I don't really blame Israel at all for wanting to keep that from happening.

[pebkac]

You peace lovers have to look at it from all perspectives though. Iran's president has come out and declared before that Israel must be wiped off the map. I don't really blame Israel at all for wanting to keep that from happening.

If Israel had a dollar for every country that wanted them wiped off the face of the earth, they'd probably be able to just BUY the Middle East instead of having to go to war with them.

In reality, the entire situation is just two leaders talking shit about each others' countries for political reasons. Nothing more.

[impala454]

ok but there's a difference between talking shit, and talking shit and building nukes.

[pebkac]

ok but there's a difference between talking shit, and talking shit and building nukes.

Perhaps. But I seriously doubt Israel intends to use them without provocation.

[impala454]

yeah probably not. it does kinda seem like someone over there is itching to pull the trigger though. imho it's only a matter of time.

[Mommy]

I agree. The hate between Israel and the Arab nations of the Middle East is a ticking time bomb. Iran has been extremely vocal of its hatred for Israel.

Aaron was right on the money

[Aaron]

Aaron was right on the money

I always knew you were alright.

Anyways, to add more to the discussion...

The reason that the Israel/Iran dynamic is so much more unstable than the India/Pakistan dynamic even though they are so similar - two bitter enemies, both nuclear capable, difference of religion, colonialism - is because the Middle East has not progressed much at all since 1948. There has been no sweeping social movement to empower women, no grassroots effort to throw off the yoke of the autocratic governments and no drastic attempt to improve the infrastructure or education system.

This is quite a shame, really, because the Middle East was much more socially and intellectually advanced than Europe for perhaps the first thousand years or so after the purported death of Jesus Christ. While the Catholic church was oppressing the advancement and spread of knowledge, their Muslim counterparts were encouraging it.

I guess the Islamic leaders are just making up for lost time.

There are two parts to my thought on this issue. One part of me is intellectually honest enough to recognize that the United States and the United Kingdom should shoulder some (if not a lot) of the blame for the current problems in the Middle East. The second part of me doesn't see this problem getting any better in my lifetime - quite the opposite in fact - and wouldn't mind (like I said earlier) Israel dealing with it on its own.

[Seussninja]

wake me up when either country follows through, i've got some skin that needs sloughing.