Another atheism thread Options

[John6.7]

john, your question didn't make sense with the statement you replied to. but yes I believe the bible and try to follow it.

I quoted something you said cause I was asking you... not that hard to understand.

let me make an analogy since you guys don't seem to understand my point. let's say some people enjoy bird watching. they enjoy it enough to start online forums, have their own bird watching clubs, etc. i don't particularly care for bird watching, but you don't see me making up a name for people who don't like bird watching. you don't see me desperately trying to convince the bird watchers that bird watching is pointless/stupid. i also haven't started a club for those who aren't interested in bird watching. you know why? because we wouldn't have a f'n thing to talk about (unless we wanted to be assholes and just make fun of the bird watchers).

Bird watchers have never relentlessly tried to turn people into a bird watcher. I don't thing a part of being a birdwatcher is going out and making other people into bird watchers, so there is no need for the anti-birdwatching people. The birdwatchers never bother anyone.

[John6.7]

it just seems to me that if you don't believe in something you'd have no reason to sit around discussing why you don't believe in it. these guys that do discuss it... almost seem like they're questioning their lack of a religion.

the people i know who really have no belief whatsoever in any religion, don't ever talk about it

Why not talk about it? You talk to other people to confirm your faith... Atheists do the same thing.

[FORSAKENR320]

if people didn't get together and discuss what they didn't believe in, nothing would change. so your attitude of "if you don't like it, then sit down and shut the fuck up" is a bit anti american, you terrorist



WHITE POWER

[Billy]

Spirituality is a beautiful thing, but religion is not. Spirituality is a personal conquest to understand yourself, and make yourself better than you are. Religion has done little more than oppress people for trying to find the real truth. Jesus is not the truth. Muhammad is not either. Both of these characters are likely fictional. However, in the past saying such would get you killed (still will in the middle east).

And though right now, the United States and Europe are going through a kind of Renaissance, where free thought is allowed without persecution from Religion, this, through war and depression, may not always last however. And what happens when religion controls again? Well, what happened in the past? Burning of witches. Torture of heretics. Arresting of scientists/astronomers like Galileo for discovering a truth that blantly makes the bible wrong (Interesting time line, religion slowed scientific progress by 250 years)

We can not afford to ever revert back to such primitive and superstitous ways. Though education has made great strides in defeating religion, in times of fear, that may not be enough. They prey on our children, filling them with lies when they are very impressionable and gulliable. Like a disease, religion programs these poor fools to serve and spread. Bringing power to their religious leaders and slowing our advancement.

And that is one reason why atheists meet. To figure out how to cure the world. To discuss how to make people, who are stubborn followers, see the truth. Because logic does not work. I do not know if it is a lack of intelligence, or if humanity really is that weak as children that they can doublethink as adults when tainted by these predators.

Example. Here are three statements:

1)Jesus is God
2)The Bible is perfect and true
3)The Bible says "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." (Matthew 24:36; recent versions of the Bible have had "nor the Son" removed)

NOT ALL OF THESE STATEMENTS CAN BE TRUE FOLKS. But that is not enough. You counter with "oh it's just a one liner taken out of context". And yet, what context is it taken out of? You cannot even explain it. Because, you don't want to. You don't want to accept it. In doing so requires you admit you were wrong. All these years, wrong. And that seems to be man's greatest challenge.

[impala454]

I quoted something you said cause I was asking you... not that hard to understand.
Bird watchers have never relentlessly tried to turn people into a bird watcher.

yeah.. and i'm sure religious people have "relentlessly" tried to convert you... and please, spare me the crybaby story about how the mormans came to your house.

here's what I want you guys to admit: atheism = anti-christianity. IMHO atheism shouldn't be called anything. it's one of those times where the people who don't believe in anything felt left out, so they made up a word so they could group themselves. tell me, if you truly are an atheist, why not just mark "none" next to religion rather than "atheism"? imo these groups of atheists who sit around and do nothing but try to denounce christianity must be wrestling with their non-belief so hard that they feel that attacking christianity will purge their true beliefs. the people who really believe there's no gods or supreme beings don't sit around and talk about it, and don't call themselves atheists. they simply live life without believing any of the stuff. "atheists" seem to feel the need to be anti-religion, not simply be a non-believer.

and yeah rocky was right, of course christianity is by far the most practiced religion in the US, so that explains why atheists seems to concentrate their attacks on it, but it doesn't explain why they feel the need to attack it in the first place.

[pysex]

I think everyone needs to accept the fact that atheists will always be in the minority. People need ways to explain their existence. God is the popular one of many.



Now accept the fact that your views will never be fully welcomed in society because you can't destroy or deny something so ancient and ingrained as God.


And accept the fact that hardcore Christians will always try to impose their beliefs on others because the doctrine tells them to.



Some Christians piss me off because of how closed minded they are and blinded by words from a book. I don't care how many times you want to tell me the bible is the word of God. It was still written by man.


And most atheists piss me off because they do the exact same thing trying to impose their beliefs on others. If your belief is that there is no God then why must you always be talking about him.

[pysex]

yeah.. and i'm sure religious people have "relentlessly" tried to convert you... and please, spare me the crybaby story about how the mormans came to your house.

here's what I want you guys to admit: atheism = anti-christianity. IMHO atheism shouldn't be called anything. it's one of those times where the people who don't believe in anything felt left out, so they made up a word so they could group themselves. tell me, if you truly are an atheist, why not just mark "none" next to religion rather than "atheism"? imo these groups of atheists who sit around and do nothing but try to denounce christianity must be wrestling with their non-belief so hard that they feel that attacking christianity will purge their true beliefs. the people who really believe there's no gods or supreme beings don't sit around and talk about it, and don't call themselves atheists. they simply live life without believing any of the stuff. "atheists" seem to feel the need to be anti-religion, not simply be a non-believer.

and yeah rocky was right, of course christianity is by far the most practiced religion in the US, so that explains why atheists seems to concentrate their attacks on it, but it doesn't explain why they feel the need to attack it in the first place.

it's not denouncing christianity.....


it's denouncing the existence of a god



so they would be against mainstream religions

[pysex]

p.s. Atheism is still a religion.

[TetraGrammaton C...]

yeah.. and i'm sure religious people have "relentlessly" tried to convert you... and please, spare me the crybaby story about how the mormans came to your house.

here's what I want you guys to admit: atheism = anti-christianity. IMHO atheism shouldn't be called anything. it's one of those times where the people who don't believe in anything felt left out, so they made up a word so they could group themselves. tell me, if you truly are an atheist, why not just mark "none" next to religion rather than "atheism"? imo these groups of atheists who sit around and do nothing but try to denounce christianity must be wrestling with their non-belief so hard that they feel that attacking christianity will purge their true beliefs. the people who really believe there's no gods or supreme beings don't sit around and talk about it, and don't call themselves atheists. they simply live life without believing any of the stuff. "atheists" seem to feel the need to be anti-religion, not simply be a non-believer.

and yeah rocky was right, of course christianity is by far the most practiced religion in the US, so that explains why atheists seems to concentrate their attacks on it, but it doesn't explain why they feel the need to attack it in the first place.

i have been very reluctant to list the monstrous catalog of your inadequacies; for the sake of pity, i will resist its entirety. i believe you have some sort of sociological malfunction, as if several synapses in your brain have been wired incorrectly. i hope you can take this criticism well. i believe all of us are getting impatient with your childish inability to comprehend rational and polite discussion. it is people like you that deter new people from posting here. this criticism has nothing to do with your beliefs on any level, but rather it is stemmed for your genuine ability to pose a rational reasonable response or enact logic on the majority of occasions.

that being said (and you can get mad about it all you want), i will address your comment. please learn to spell "mormon" this is the second time you have spelled it "morman," which reeks of latent freudian homosexuality. (joking)
you lack the fundamental understanding of what atheism is; it has nothing to do with christianity. atheism is the simple belief in no god. "a" (away from) "theism" (belief in God and creation). there are plenty of religions that have gods and this is not against any of them. it is merely a different point of view. yes, there are a few atheists that attack other religious groups, but this has nothing to do with atheists as a group and is a rash generalization. i think you are confusing atheists with people with no philosophical or religious belief; they are, of course, very different.
plenty of atheists discuss their religious beliefs, often this causes christians to become upset, which is why it appears that they are being attacked.
"these groups of atheists who sit around and do nothing but try to denounce christianity" where are these people? the only reason to discuss these things is to mature and understand one another's beliefs. when people disagree, person x will try to rationalize her/his point to person y and vice versa. there is no attempt to convert or criticize but to let both parties know the reason why one another believe something and the philosophical ideas behind that belief.
there are people who attack one another's beliefs, but these are often people who differ in belief and exposure to such a degree that the other's belief seems completely ludicrous to them.

[The Fanatic]

p.s. Atheism is still a religion.

Atheism is not so much a religion as it is a belief system...

i have been very reluctant to list the monstrous catalog of your inadequacies; for the sake of pity, i will resist its entirety. i believe you have some sort of sociological malfunction, as if several synapses in your brain have been wired incorrectly. i hope you can take this criticism well. i believe all of us are getting impatient with your childish inability to comprehend rational and polite discussion. it is people like you that deter new people from posting here. this criticism has nothing to do with your beliefs on any level, but rather it is stemmed for your genuine ability to pose a rational reasonable response or enact logic on the majority of occasions.

that being said (and you can get mad about it all you want), i will address your comment. please learn to spell "mormon" this is the second time you have spelled it "morman," which reeks of latent freudian homosexuality. (joking)
you lack the fundamental understanding of what atheism is; it has nothing to do with christianity. atheism is the simple belief in no god. "a" (away from) "theism" (belief in God and creation). there are plenty of religions that have gods and this is not against any of them. it is merely a different point of view. yes, there are a few atheists that attack other religious groups, but this has nothing to do with atheists as a group and is a rash generalization. i think you are confusing atheists with people with no philosophical or religious belief; they are, of course, very different.
plenty of atheists discuss their religious beliefs, often this causes christians to become upset, which is why it appears that they are being attacked.
"these groups of atheists who sit around and do nothing but try to denounce christianity" where are these people? the only reason to discuss these things is to mature and understand one another's beliefs. when people disagree, person x will try to rationalize her/his point to person y and vice versa. there is no attempt to convert or criticize but to let both parties know the reason why one another believe something and the philosophical ideas behind that belief.
there are people who attack one another's beliefs, but these are often people who differ in belief and exposure to such a degree that the other's belief seems completely ludicrous to them.

good post

[pysex]

Atheism is not so much a religion as it is a belief system...

A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.

[The Fanatic]

here's what I want you guys to admit: atheism = anti-christianity. IMHO atheism shouldn't be called anything. it's one of those times where the people who don't believe in anything felt left out, so they made up a word so they could group themselves. tell me, if you truly are an atheist, why not just mark "none" next to religion rather than "atheism"? imo these groups of atheists who sit around and do nothing but try to denounce christianity must be wrestling with their non-belief so hard that they feel that attacking christianity will purge their true beliefs. the people who really believe there's no gods or supreme beings don't sit around and talk about it, and don't call themselves atheists. they simply live life without believing any of the stuff. "atheists" seem to feel the need to be anti-religion, not simply be a non-believer.

Atheism is not anti anything. It is simply non belief in gods. Atheist do differ in philosophical, moral, social, etc belief but they are united in not believing in a god. You have obviously had some sort of bad experience with atheists in general.

[impala454]

i have been very reluctant to list the monstrous catalog of your inadequacies; for the sake of pity, i will resist its entirety. i believe you have some sort of sociological malfunction, as if several synapses in your brain have been wired incorrectly. i hope you can take this criticism well. i believe all of us are getting impatient with your childish inability to comprehend rational and polite discussion. it is people like you that deter new people from posting here. this criticism has nothing to do with your beliefs on any level, but rather it is stemmed for your genuine ability to pose a rational reasonable response or enact logic on the majority of occasions.

i did actually lol, thanks. i was going to ignore your post after the first sentence, but i honestly found this part extremely amusing. i can tell when i'm getting through to people by the extremely creative insults i recieve sometimes.

that being said (and you can get mad about it all you want), i will address your comment. please learn to spell "mormon" this is the second time you have spelled it "morman,"

damn it must be my "miswired synapses" lol. i'm surprised you didn't point out the fact that i don't capitalize all my 'i's either (i guess i don't run my posts through a spell/grammar/thesaurus check before i post em).

you lack the fundamental understanding of what atheism is; it has nothing to do with christianity. atheism is the simple belief in no god. "a" (away from) "theism" (belief in God and creation). there are plenty of religions that have gods and this is not against any of them. it is merely a different point of view. yes, there are a few atheists that attack other religious groups, but this has nothing to do with atheists as a group and is a rash generalization. i think you are confusing atheists with people with no philosophical or religious belief; they are, of course, very different.
plenty of atheists discuss their religious beliefs, often this causes christians to become upset, which is why it appears that they are being attacked.
"these groups of atheists who sit around and do nothing but try to denounce christianity" where are these people? the only reason to discuss these things is to mature and understand one another's beliefs. when people disagree, person x will try to rationalize her/his point to person y and vice versa. there is no attempt to convert or criticize but to let both parties know the reason why one another believe something and the philosophical ideas behind that belief.
there are people who attack one another's beliefs, but these are often people who differ in belief and exposure to such a degree that the other's belief seems completely ludicrous to them.

maybe you missed where this discussion began. in this thread, entitled "Another atheism thread" a video by http://www.rationalresponders.com/ was posted. why don't you visit that site and tell me how these people simply have a "lack of belief" rather than attack christianity? when they sell shirts like:


with quotes like

"Do you have the cojones to show the world how sure you are that the Christian God doesn't exist?"
"Walk up to people on the streets exclaiming your joy that you deny the holy spirit, and how good it makes you feel inside!"
and really... for people who don't believe in God, there sure seems to be a lot of bible study... why even bother? like i've said several times in this thread, the people i know who don't believe in God don't even care to do this crap.

i know the f'n definition of atheism. i have no problem with those who don't believe in supreme beings or Gods, why do they have a problem with me believing in it? i'd love for you to find me some atheist group website or something that doesn't have some anti-christianity propaganda on it. or even some groups who claim atheism that show how they're anti-all theist religions, and not just christianity.

[Billy]

i did actually lol, thanks. i was going to ignore your post after the first sentence, but i honestly found this part extremely amusing. i can tell when i'm getting through to people by the extremely creative insults i recieve sometimes.

I really admire your ego. You seem to have deluded yourself into thinking you're "winning". Maybe you didn't read the last part of his post, so I'll quote it:

there are people who attack one another's beliefs, but these are often people who differ in belief and exposure to such a degree that the other's belief seems completely ludicrous to them.

Basically, the insults you are receiving are a far cry from "getting through to people". And to answer your questions, they are all answered in my post above. I do not know why you would ask a question that was already answered.

You are not a good person to debate with. You are not interested in "maturing your beliefs" as stated by Jared, but rather, you are most interested in just being right. You do not care if you believe in the "right thing", you just care about being "right". I do not know if this is due to some insecurity, or maybe in the past you always felt inadequet and so you have some duty to prove yourself...mostly to yourself. But either way, that's a pretty pathetic approach to life.

I do not think you have the intelligence to change your beliefs based on new information. College did not do you justice. I would sue the school if I were you.

[Billy]

i'd love for you to find me some atheist group website or something that doesn't have some anti-christianity propaganda on it. or even some groups who claim atheism that show how they're anti-all theist religions, and not just christianity.

It wasn't hard

He doesn't like muslims either. To find these groups, you mostly have to leave the United States though, JUST LIKE THEY HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET THROUGH. YOUR. SKULL. Is it so hard to comprehend the reason why there is animosity towards Christians in the United States is because that is the largest group they receive the most condemnation from?