Is getting drunk overrated? Options

[Mommy]

Jesus was Jewish?!?!?!?!?!?

Are you joking or being sarcastic? Because yes, he was jewish

[pebkac]

Are you joking or being sarcastic? Because yes, he was jewish

It's the Holy fuckin' bible!

[The Fanatic]

Pot's not physically addicting. It's psychologically addicting. Everyone I know who's had dependency problems with pot had them because of other circumstances in their life. It's not pot that fucks with people, it's those peoples' psychologies. Remember, there's a difference between addiction and "addiction."

Signs of addiction:
Yes, I know plenty of people who are obsessed with doing pot, but I've met very few people that I would say meet the definition of being addicted. Most people will quit smoking pot if they need to. Unfortunately, that's not the case with most other drugs.

Again, I would say another major difference between psychological and physical addiction are withdrawal symptoms after you quit smoking/taking. Drugs that are physically addictive usually have moderate to severe withdrawal symptoms because your body needs the drug in metabolism...

[Mommy]

actually you can go meth, heroin everything in moderation. if the person has control over themselves they can bet physcial dependency.
nuh uh i know bouts drugs im a user! i mean i dont do meth bc thats a drug!

The reason that heroin is so dangerous is because its EXTREMELY addicting. Yeah, you can do it once or twice and be fine, but its one of those drugs that really isnt used recreationally.

It's the Holy fuckin' bible!

[pebkac]

Again, I would say another major difference between psychological and physical addiction are withdrawal symptoms after you quit smoking/taking. Drugs that are physically addictive usually have moderate to severe withdrawal symptoms because your body needs the drug in metabolism...

I think the psychological withdrawl would be just as bad as a physical one.

Someone hasn't seen clerks II.

[The Fanatic]

Methamphetamine use generally increases the heart rate, blood pressure, body temperature, and rate of breathing of the user. Chronic use can lead to what is called 'Amphetamine Psychosis', resulting in paranoia, auditory and visual hallucinations, self-absorption, irritability, aggressive and erratic behavior, and picking at the skin. This can be magnified by lack of sleep which often accompanies heavy use of meth.

Methamphetamine is an anorexant, meaning it causes most people to lose interest in food. This is considered a benefit for many light users, but in regular or heavy users can lead to malnutrition. Methamphetamine is also believed to be neurotoxic.


Addiction Potential
Methamphetamine causes significant tolerance, as well as psychological dependence. This combination can be particularly bad because the user is likely to have strong cravings for more meth, while at the same time being unable to reach a satisfactory high. Withdrawal from high doses can produce severe depression.

Source: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/meth/meth_basics.shtml

I've been on both ends of withdrawals, heroin and methadone, every patient
of methadone will always tell you the same, as I do; I can kick heroin
anytime, but methadonde that is something else. In 15 yrs of heroin
addiction, I've kicked 3 times, 'cold-turkey'. In 10 years on methadone
I've never kicked methadone. Once I landed in jail, you have to do 72hrs.
of jail time before you see the judge, called 'due' process.
I was literally on the floor screaming my guts out. About 12hrs. before I
was to see the judge, I demanded to be taken to the hospital, I just
couldn't take it. I was cuffed, and looking like a 'chair' was glued to
my back, I limped to the ambulence, since I couldn't lift my leg to climb
into the back, the police grabbed me on both sides and shoved me in like a
sack of potatoes, I fell flat on my face.
The doctor realizing my condition and that it was severe, gave me a shot
of morphine or methadone,(I had ID# and she called my Doctor). The cops
were very angry. When they saw that I was ok, walking straight without
pain or slouching, they cuffed me to a chair, called another unit to
return me to the court building. The new transport was ok with me, when I
got to the court building the cops wrote a message on my sheet.
"This is the addict that cried and was give dope, don't let him go to see
the judge, RETURN him to precinct jail to start new 72 hrs." I was
returned to the precinct and 2 days later I was in the same condition!

Never did I go through such hell in all my days, I finally saw the judge,
I was able to stand and talk because, lucky for me, another inmate had
some heroin, I gave him my food for the 'dope'!

THE INTENSITY OF METHADONE WITHDRAWAL IS JUST TOO MUCH! I COULD NEVER DO IT,
BTW ABOUT 5 YEARS AGO ONE INMATE WENT INTO CONVULSION AND UPON FALLING, HE
HIT THE METAL BARS, HE DIED!

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/heroin/her...ddiction1.shtml

[The Fanatic]

I think the psychological withdrawl would be just as bad as a physical one.
Someone hasn't seen clerks II.

It is different symptoms

Crack withdrawal symptoms include but are not limited to:

* agitation
* depression
* intense craving for the drug
* extreme fatigue
* anxiety
* angry outbursts
* lack of motivation
* nausea/vomiting
* shaking
* irritability
* muscle pain
* disturbed sleep

Meth Withdrawal symptoms included but are not limited to:

* fatigue
* long, disturbed periods of sleep
* irritability
* intense hunger
* moderate to severe depression
* psychotic reactions
* anxiety

Meth withdrawal, length and severity of depression is related to how much and how often Meth was used. Withdrawal symptoms including, cravings, exhaustion, depression, mental confusion, restlessness, insomnia, deep or disturbed sleep, may last up to 48 hours.

Marijuana addiction is a phenomenon experienced by more than 150,000 individuals each year who enter treatment for their proclaimed addiction to marijuana. Marijuana addiction is characterized as compulsive, often uncontrollable marijuana craving, seeking, and use, even when the individual knows that marijuana use is not in his best interest. Marijuana addiction could be defined as chronically making the firm decision not to use marijuana followed shortly by a relapse due to experiencing overwhelming compulsive urges to use marijuana despite the firm decision not to. This contradiction is characteristic of an addiction problem.

Marijuana Withdrawal symptoms include but are not limited to:

* irritability
* anxiety
* physical tension
* decreases in appetite and mood

Symptoms of Heroin withdrawal include but are not limited to:

* dilated pupils
* piloerection (goose bumps)
* watery eyes
* runny nose
* yawning
* loss of appetite
* tremors
* panic
* chills
* nausea
* muscle cramps
* insomnia
* stomach cramps
* diarrhea
* vomiting
* shaking
* chills or profuse sweating
* irritability
* jitterness

Alcohol Withdrawal symptoms include but are not limited to:

* Sweating or Rapid Pulse
* Increased Hand Tremor
* Insomnia
* Nausea or Vomiting
* Physical Agitation
* Anxiety
* Transient Visual, Tactile or Auditory Hallucinations or
* Illusions
* Grand Mal Seizures

Marijuana Withdrawal symptoms are characterized more by depression and a need to take the drug. The other drugs produce actual physical agony. that is the main difference. Notice that marijuana addiction is "proclaimed", there is no conclusive evidence that marijuana is physically addictive.

Source: http://www.addictionwithdrawal.com/

This post has been edited by Dr. Gonzo: Nov 19 2006, 07:39 PM

[pebkac]

It is different symptoms
Marijuana Withdrawal symptoms are characterized more by depression and a need to take the drug. The other drugs produce actual physical agony. that is the main difference. Notice that marijuana addiction is "proclaimed", there is no conclusive evidence that marijuana is addictive.

Source: http://www.addictionwithdrawal.com/

I'd rather have physical pain than depression any day. And I'm sure most anyone would because psychological addictions are much harder to break than physical ones.

Psychological dependency can last far longer than physical dependency: years, or even a lifetime. It is based more on the individual’s traits (habits, affective states, lifestyle) than on the substance itself. It is the memory of the pleasure associated with the object of the dependency that the individual thinks about often and longingly.

Sometimes, the re-emergence of a problem that the person was trying to suppress by taking the drug can cause them to recidivate (start taking it again). People may also remain dependent out of fear of the painful withdrawal that awaits them if they stop taking the drug.

Psychological dependency is often described by the word " craving ", which clearly conveys the intense desire to take the drug and feel its effects. Craving is similar to the physiological sensations of hunger and thirst.

Another psychological factor encouraging drug dependency is the conditioned learning that occurs unconsciously when someone is taking a drug. In this process, both endogenous and environmental stimuli become associated with the desired substance and acquire the power to activate the craving all on their own. For people addicted to injectable drugs, the whole environment surrounding “shooting up” (syringes, “shooting galleries”, etc.) therefore becomes tremendously important.

Simply coming into contact with this environment can cause them to start taking the drug regularly again. So can taking just a small amount of the drug, or being under stress, or even experiencing subjective emotions formerly associated with taking the drug.

Cocaine and amphetamines are good examples of substances that do not cause any physical dependency, but do cause very intense psychological dependency.

Neurobiochemical studies have shown the reward circuit to be an important substrate of psychological dependency. That said, many theoretical attempts to explain the mechanisms of dependency are still being debated today.

[The Fanatic]

I'd rather have physical pain than depression any day. And I'm sure most anyone would because psychological addictions are much harder to break than physical ones.

Note that some drugs cause both physical and psychological dependency...

Dependency in general is not good

[The Fanatic]

Psychological symptoms could last a while, but the physical ones would be extremely difficult to overcome, especially in the case of heroin.

[pebkac]

Note that some drugs cause both physical and psychological dependency...

Dependency in general is not good

Yes, I agree with you 100% that there are far worse drugs than marijuana out there. However, I think you're lying to yourself if you don't believe that there are people who get addicted to it and have a hard time breaking said addictions.

[The Fanatic]

Yes, I agree with you 100% that there are far worse drugs than marijuana out there. However, I think you're lying to yourself if you don't believe that there are people who get addicted to it and have a hard time breaking said addictions.

I have never said that marijuana was not psychologically addictive...

It depends on the person, some people have very addictive personalities

[pebkac]

I have never said that marijuana was not psychologically addictive...

Yeah, you kind of did unless I read you wrong...

Notice that marijuana addiction is "proclaimed", there is no conclusive evidence that marijuana is addictive.

[The Fanatic]

You did not read wrong, let me be more specific. I meant to say physical addiction.

[pebkac]

Ah, makes much more sense then.