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Hartmann
post Nov 10 2006, 09:35 AM
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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=52877

I hope that Bill Maher doesn't represent the left or Democrats outside of his party affiliation.

Who cares if the guy is gay? He can be anti gay marriage but gay. I have a friend that is gay and is completely against gay marriage (that's a different subject).

My main thing though is "who cares". Who cares who's gay and who's not. Who cares who's a partier and who's not. We all have our problems and unless they are criminal then I do not see why someone needs to be shamed because of them.

Also, unless Maher had some factual evidence that this guy is gay isn't what he did slander?

I love how the article makes it sound like all gays are child molesters.... geez what is this country coming to.


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post Nov 10 2006, 11:05 AM
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Because it borders hypocricy?


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post Nov 10 2006, 11:08 AM
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I can see being gay and opposing gay marriage, I guess. But to be so opposed to it that you'd support a constitutional amendment banning it? That seems a little far-fetched.


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post Nov 10 2006, 11:10 AM
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And regarding slander... if Mehlman has dodged the question, that may be "evidence" enough so that Maher isn't guilty of slander. I could be wrong, though.


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post Nov 10 2006, 12:03 PM
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QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Nov 10 2006, 11:10 AM) *
And regarding slander... if Mehlman has dodged the question, that may be "evidence" enough so that Maher isn't guilty of slander. I could be wrong, though.

Plus you have to prove damages, AND there is the issue of being a political figure which makes you even more open to public comment.

Plus it being maher, he could try and say that since he trys to be a comedian it was merely in jest and not trying to fool people into thinking it is truth... because jest is protected.
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post Nov 10 2006, 01:09 PM
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QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Nov 10 2006, 11:08 AM) *
I can see being gay and opposing gay marriage, I guess. But to be so opposed to it that you'd support a constitutional amendment banning it? That seems a little far-fetched.


I understand that. What I don't understand is how the conversation went from abortion to Bill Maher calling people gay. I still don't see how this is "alright" for him to do, whether it's slander or not. Had a conservative done something similar they would have been called out by the entire left as a homophobe.

I just think the whole thing is asinine. Who cares who's gay and who isn't. Some people don't want others to know they are gay, and that's perfectly fine.


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post Nov 10 2006, 01:49 PM
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Well it *shouldn't* matter whether someone is gay or not, but sometimes it's pertinent. Often politicians who oppose gay marriage rail against homosexuals in general. I don't know if that's the case with this guy, but if it is it's good to know if he's gay and thus hypocritical.


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post Nov 10 2006, 01:59 PM
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QUOTE (Hartmann @ Nov 10 2006, 09:35 AM) *
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=52877

I hope that Bill Maher doesn't represent the left or Democrats outside of his party affiliation.

Who cares if the guy is gay? He can be anti gay marriage but gay. I have a friend that is gay and is completely against gay marriage (that's a different subject).

My main thing though is "who cares". Who cares who's gay and who's not. Who cares who's a partier and who's not. We all have our problems and unless they are criminal then I do not see why someone needs to be shamed because of them.

Also, unless Maher had some factual evidence that this guy is gay isn't what he did slander?

I love how the article makes it sound like all gays are child molesters.... geez what is this country coming to.


Why does it matter if the leader of the party that opposes gay rights every chance they get and wants nothing to do with gay people is himself gay?

You're kidding right?


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post Nov 10 2006, 02:06 PM
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The only reason people care is because he is in a leadership role of an organization that is vehemently against allowing people of the same sex to marry. I think what Maher did is a perfectly legitimate thing to do.

Fuck these guys.
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post Nov 10 2006, 02:24 PM
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post Nov 10 2006, 02:27 PM
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Bill Maher is an idiot anyway, no matter who he calls gay.
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post Nov 10 2006, 02:28 PM
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QUOTE (pebkac @ Nov 10 2006, 01:59 PM) *
Why does it matter if the leader of the party that opposes gay rights every chance they get and wants nothing to do with gay people is himself gay?

You're kidding right?


Never said that. I said why does it matter who's gay. And again, there is no "proof" that he is gay.

Has he said somewhere that he wants nothing to do with gay people? All I know is that he opposes gay marriage. If we went on a "witch"hunt in D.C. I'm sure we'd find a lot of skeletons...


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post Nov 10 2006, 03:54 PM
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QUOTE (Hartmann @ Nov 10 2006, 02:28 PM) *
Never said that. I said why does it matter who's gay. And again, there is no "proof" that he is gay.

Has he said somewhere that he wants nothing to do with gay people? All I know is that he opposes gay marriage. If we went on a "witch"hunt in D.C. I'm sure we'd find a lot of skeletons...


Gay marriage is a gay right.

Secondly, I didn't neccessarily say that Mehlman himself didn't want anything to do with gays, but the party he leads sure doesn't. Why is it that so many gay Congressmen are forced to keep their sexuality a secret?

In other words, it matters if Mehlman is gay because if he is a homo, he's at worst a hypocrit and at best a demagogue who hasn't used his position to better his own kind so he can hold on to power.


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post Nov 10 2006, 04:06 PM
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QUOTE (pebkac @ Nov 10 2006, 03:54 PM) *
Gay marriage is a gay right.

Secondly, I didn't neccessarily say that Mehlman himself didn't want anything to do with gays, but the party he leads sure doesn't. Why is it that so many gay Congressmen are forced to keep their sexuality a secret?

In other words, it matters if Mehlman is gay because if he is a homo, he's at worst a hypocrit and at best a demagogue who hasn't used his position to better his own kind so he can hold on to power.


I am not arguing if it's a right or not. I have a friend (gay) who does not want gay marriage for the simple reason that he does not want the additional "problems" that come with marriage. He wants unions and the benefits but not the other stuff. He says it's all about titles anyway.

Who knows his reasoning, maybe he just was biding his time till he told the Repubs to screw off...

Also, saying that the republican party wants nothing to do with gays is a little much don't you think? I am sorry that the loud minority has made you feel this way but I don't think conservatives/repubs want nothing to do with gays.

I am not here to argue gay marriage, 'cause quite frankly could care less. Do what you want to do, if you want to call it marriage go for it.


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post Nov 10 2006, 04:18 PM
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QUOTE (Hartmann @ Nov 10 2006, 04:06 PM) *
I am not arguing if it's a right or not. I have a friend (gay) who does not want gay marriage for the simple reason that he does not want the additional "problems" that come with marriage. He wants unions and the benefits but not the other stuff. He says it's all about titles anyway.

Who knows his reasoning, maybe he just was biding his time till he told the Repubs to screw off...


And he wouldn't be the first homo to feel that way. In fact, I could probably find you a gay person who believes that homosexuality should still be a crime. While I don't neccessarily feel that it should be at the top of every gay person's list of priorities, I would say that for a gay person to totally oppose gay marriage/civil unions or even to stand by and do nothing about it as Mehlman has done is playing a demagogue.

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Also, saying that the republican party wants nothing to do with gays is a little much don't you think? I am sorry that the loud minority has made you feel this way but I don't think conservatives/repubs want nothing to do with gays.


I don't think it's just a loud minority. Otherwise, why would we have groups such as the Log Cabin Republicans who say things like:

"The mere existence of our organization recognizes the fact that the Republican Party still has a long way to go on issues affecting gay and lesbian civil rights. Too many people in the party remain hostile to gay and lesbian civil rights."


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